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      That’s not the end goal. The end goal is security for the Israeli people. If Palestinians choose peace, they’d have it. They have not chosen that path yet.

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        9 months ago

        The end goal is security for the Israeli people.

        This is nearly a certain white supremacist dogwhistle. Don’t trust people who want to murder an entire people for the sake of “security” of other people. That’s how ethnic cleanses and genocides are justified.

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          You connected two unrelated ideas.

          Israel wants security for the people of Israel. Ideally, this is peace with their neighbors. Hamas has chosen war. Israel has no choice but the take action.

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            And this action must be extermination of the people of Palestine. If you’re going to say it, say all of it. Stop dancing around what you’re advocating.

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              Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m absolutely not saying that. Let me be clear: Palestinians should have a state and live peacefully as neighbors of Israel.

              However, as of now, the Palestinian leadership is fracture and (in the case of Hamas) undeniably barbaric. The Palestinians need to choose better leaders and take themselves to freedom and peace they deserve.

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                9 months ago

                When do they choose their leaders? They’ve not had an election in over a decade.

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                  Agreed! Neither in the West Bank where Fatah rules, not in Gaza where Hamas rules, have they had elections in more than a decade.

                  The Palestinians should demand an election.

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            this is effectively saying “all Palestinians deserve to be killed because of who their leadership is” which is not really acceptable.

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            Please look up how many of the currently living people in Gaza were able to vote back in 2006(?) when the last election was.

            Irrc 50% of the population now is under 18, so people under 35 should make up 70% or more.

            Your statement is just false.

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        9 months ago

        From the authors of “Why don’t Russians/Iranians/North Koreans/etc. overthrow their regimes? It’s a simple choice.”

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        Thing is, even if the people want peace there’s no one to deliver it. Their leadership has no interest in negotiating with the state of Israel that they see as illegitimate.

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            That’s simply not correct and easily verifiable. Don’t spread misinformation.

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              So for decades Israel has been pushing people out of their homes and killing their children, they have killed journalists.

              Now, they told everyone to get out of gaza then bombed the crossing, they shut off power, water, sanitation, food, medicines, and shutdown god only knows how many machines that were keeping people alive because they do not run without electricity…

              What part of what I said is untrue?