So, looking at this article, there is no mention that they made end-to-end encryption illegal.
Tech companies have said scanning messages and end-to-end encryption are fundamentally incompatible.
Earlier this month, junior minister Stephen Parkinson appeared to concede ground, saying in parliament’s upper chamber that Ofcom would only require them to scan content where “technically feasible”.
So they would basically be scanning information WITHOUT end-to-end encryption
No no this is Reddit, I mean lemmy, we don’t read articles we just react.
Well, it’s more than that since OP even changed the title of the article.
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Haha yes also incredibly that they had to point out this sentence “Tech companies have said scanning messages and end-to-end encryption are fundamentally incompatible.”
Very astonishing how there are some fundamental lacks of understanding from politicians advertising this. Or all on purpose
Tech companies have said scanning messages and end-to-end encryption are fundamentally incompatible.
That’s not a given. Imagine messaging is like you trying to pass a note to a classmate in school. End-to-end encryption is like using a cypher based on your friend’s social security number, crumpling up the note, and then shoving the note up Tommy’s ass for them to deliver it to your buddy. Pretty standard note-passing stuff.
Adding the ability for the government to scan your messages is like being that kid who can’t write without mouthing or whispering what you’re writing. Then the teacher says “got it! Don’t worry, I definitely definitely won’t discuss this in the beak room with the other teachers!” And then gives you a big reassuring wink and a smile while you shove the note up Tommy’s ass.
See how everyone gets to have fun in the second scenario? The best part is knowing that no teacher ever has ever done anything bad. The end.
I have no idea what your point was but I’m still laughing.
I’m not surprised at all
Not really. Different websites will treat you differently depending on what country you’re accessing them from.
Ah if Internet was only websites, life would be easier.
It is! That’s what the w in www stands for.
Also a totally real fact: putting the “s” at the end of https:// is what makes it secure and it works on other things as well. Eating a brownie is unsecure and dangerous, but brownies has better security and should be consumed frequently.
Here’s some more examples of other everyday items that you can easily secure:- Oreo❎ Oreos☑️
- Sock❎ Socks☑️
- Fart❎ Farts☑️
- Douche Canoe❎ Douche Canoes☑️
Items that can’t be secured without modification:
- Potato❎ Potatoes☑️❔
- Hamburger Patty❎ Hamburger Patties☑️❔
- Fish❎ Fishes☑️❔
- Serial Killer With a Knife❎ Serial Killer With Some Knives☑️❔
Please note that for every rule, there is an exception. Take Deer for example. Deer can’t be secured. Fuck Deer, the lazy unencrypted bastards…
Do they want to lose access to… everything on the internet? Because this is how you lose access to everything.
Haha yes definitely something to follow. I’m looking forward to lists of companies that left UK because of this (as announced) and lists of companies that stay and thus prove that their end-to-end encryption isn’t a real one
I keep forgetting that the UK left the European Union. When I originally read that title I was like how the fuck could that happen? Oh Brexit. That is going to set them back decades.
Don’t you worry, EU votes on killing end-to-end encryption in private messaging next week.
Digital Brexit
" Safety Bill " the fucking irony of it Tories making sure we’re the biggest clown show in the world. Well time to shutdown all those https end points and spool up jhonlewi5.co.uk to my offshore account.
“If companies do not comply, media regulator Ofcom will be able to issue fines of up to 18 million pounds ($22.3 million) or 10% of their annual global turnover.” Yet thier mates can quite happly steal tax money under PPE contracts and pump literal shit into our waterways.
And something as bad (if not worse) is coming to the EU too https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
Jesus christ. Thanks for sharing, I had no idea about this.
This is by design; they’ve been very quiet about this. It’s going to pass, and once it does I doubt it’ll only be used for scanning for CSAM
Not even the United States is as determined to become a third-wonld shithole as the UK is.
republicans: “hold my beer”
The common thing here is conservatism. It has no borders and thrives on hatred, which is fundamentally human. It will alway exist as an evil. It just varies on how much power they have and is under slightly different names, but they have a common thread of beliefs that always come back. No country or person is immune to this as morally superior they think they are.
I don’t get it - where did all these idiots come from in the western developed worlds? It’s like half have forgotten history, and are hell bent on sending us into this fascist dystopia where we’ve forgotten that freedom comes with a price. Nobody likes the darker side of the internet, but punishing regular users and businesses isn’t the answer. Everyone loves to pick on the USA, and we deserve it, but it’s happening seemingly everywhere.
Because these people are always there, always waiting. We got lazy about stomping them down.
Where there is money to be made, and influence to be pedaled, Capitalism will find the person to do it for them. If you are doing it because you are evil you are a conservative, if you are doing it because you think you are actually helping the children, you are a liberal. But the outcomes are the same either way.
If governments the world over were as obsessed with solving things like the climate crisis and cost of living as they are with undermining encryption techs, we’d be living in a utopia by now.
They tried this here in Australia, luckily for us it got voted down. Iirc there’s been other countries trying the same BS
What? It didn’t get voted down, it literally passed and is law under the Telco Act. The fact we passed it gave the UK ammunition to do the same thing.
it is my understanding that our sucky Assistance and Access Act, is fundamentally different, it compels developers provide back doors where it will not systemically undermine the system. To my understanding the UK one requests “breaking” e2ee in its entirely - which is why services like Signal were considering full exiting the region?
Well, they already left the EU, now they want to leave the internet, too.
After Brexit there’s Digital Brexit
We made it safe by making it so nobody can be safe. What are you people mot understanding?!
/s
Very 1984 of them
I wonder where the book was written and set, i wonder
Literally facial recognition cameras at every single stop light in UK.
Literally not. Unless you think the UK doesn’t exist outside of London.
I like your PROBLEM light.
It’s on! It’s off! It’s on! It’s of! It’s on! It’s off!
Sigh, that’s called blinking!
Okay so how would this be enforced? Highly unlikely any messaging service that offers E2E is going to release a version without it just to satisfy the UK government. So this will basically be easily thwarted by using a VPN?
The bill was changed so it no longer bans e2e encryption, it’s now the responsibility of tech companies to provide protection “where technically feasible” which basically means fuck all
where technically feasible
It gives something that can be argued about later, right? After other parts of the bill have begun to be implemented. So, further down the road if gvmt considers e.g. WhatsApp or Signal as having CSAM and not taking appropriate steps, then they can put pressure and WA/Signal can argue back about feasibility and merit.
Does that mean that when you’re sitting on a bench in the middle of a city, you could in theory snoop the passwords and banking details in clear text from the WiFi networks around you?
No. Why would it mean that?
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Yeah but they’re not in any way doing that.
“we want to break https, SSL, TLS, SSH…”
Man, operating servers in the UK is going to be FUN!
First of all, these protocols don’t allow for backdoors so good luck with that. Are they going to ditch all those and run their own private internet or something?
Seriously, what they want isn’t even possible, and even if it were, it won’t. fix. anything.
Real criminals will just continue using these real encryption protocols that you cannot break, so this just ends with the state being able to spy on the common people.
And nobody will abuse this, if 50.000 pounds disappears from yout bank about then fuck you, shut up, you never had that…
Politicians are stupid.
Yeah, the title of this post is misinformation. If you read the article it says: “The government, however, has said the bill does not ban end-to-end encryption.” Even in extreme cases it says scanning will be required where “technically feasible.”
People need to relax and pay attention.
First of all, these protocols don’t allow for backdoors
Doesn’t matter, tbh. The entire problem of giving governments (or whoever) a backdoor is that there’s no way to make it only available to the “good guys”.
If Apple and co did put in backdoors to satisfy the Brits, the first thing every other government on earth would do is legislate itself access to the backdoor.
With or without a proper backdoor, this law breaks the tech.
There must be exceptions for banks. Otherwise, brb gonna steal some easy £
This is openly misleading. This sucks, sure, but it doesn’t ban e2ee as the title suggests.
and as a last resort develop technology to scan encrypted messages, it has said
Right there in the article, my guy.
If you can scan encrypted messages then you’ve no longer got e2ee
1 line below, you can read
Tech companies have said scanning messages and end-to-end encryption are fundamentally incompatible. Earlier this month, junior minister Stephen Parkinson appeared to concede ground, saying in parliament’s upper chamber that Ofcom would only require them to scan content where “technically feasible”. Donelan said in response to questions about Parkinson’s statement that further work to develop the technology was needed but government-funded research had shown it was possible.
In practice, I doubt this will have any consequence on encryption, as the title of this post suggests.
Backdoors make it “technically feasible” to scan “e2ee”. See, it’s all a matter of perspective.
Fucking doublespeak (not you). If you can scan it then it isn’t e2ee. Words mean things. E2ee means that the two parties are the only two who can read the message. If there is a way to do any analysis on the message at all then it isn’t e2ee.
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