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    Protest for Palestine: They throw you in jail

    Protest for Israel: giant thumbs up meme

    Anyone not seeing the colonial world order as fascist at this point is well beyond redemption.

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      Is a protest for palestinians a protest for Hamas? What Hamas did to free palestinians or make them safe from Israel’s agression?

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          It’s not the only thing they could, as they could as well not doing it. What they wanted to achieve with it?

          I’m not a palestinian, you aren’t too. How we’d judje if our takes worth anything?

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            To do nothing is to die. That’s not a real choice.

            As for what they achieved? Israel was well on its way to a fascist takeover with the rightist reforms, unprecedented protests were happening inside Israel against the government. Hamas just showed them that their government can not keep them safe and can not be trusted. That’s significant, and it might just save Israeli democracy if this leads to Netanyahu’s ousting.

            Israel was also well on its way to normalizing relations with the entire Arab world, and now Hamas has provoked them into throwing that all out the window and instead inviting condemnation and isolation in the region.

            Hamas has also opened up a new front against the American empire. Now instead of only needing to focus on Ukraine it has had its attention split to the 51st state and Greatest Ally. At the same time, there is no House Speaker. And the Republican frontrunner is a criminal.

            Hamas is smart. They attacked at a very opportune moment.

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              And you don’t believe Hamas’ heads are just opportiunistic assholes like Netanyahu? That they don’t want get money and power from it? Like Hamas don’t have gains and support from dying palestinian civs?

              What Hamas did to palestinians with that attack?

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                No, I don’t. I think Hamas is ready and willing to die to fight Israel. That’s not the behavior of people who only want money and power.

                Hamas has done nothing to Palestinians. This is all Israel. Place blame where it belongs.

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            It sucks what has happened, but it honestly looks to me like they may have achieved their goals. They provoked an overreaction from Israel which has cost them a ton of goodwill from the global community. It’s also made more people aware of just how violent Israel has been and how many innocent people they kill. If Palestine still exists at the end of this conflict, I would very much expect changes that make things generally better for Palestinians.

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    It is good to show solidarity with Palestinians - it is not acceptable to cheer for Hamas on the other hand.

    If you are able to differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinians and Israeli government and Israeli people your moral compass still somewhat works.

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      When you poke a caged dog for nearly a century and it bites your hand off, only a fool would act surprised.

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      Both sides elect people that are OK with their people dying for their own government policies. One attacks to oppress an apparant enemy, the other attacks to free themselves from oppression. They are not the same, yet innocent people suffer and die because of both.

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        @Szymon I agree with this apart from the “elect” part. Hamas last won an election in 2006, with less than half the vote.

        Gaza hasn’t held an election in over 17 years and the majority of its population are too young to have voted then.

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        Meanwhile all citizens just want to live their lives in peace.

        It really is tragic and frustrating.

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        There has not been an election by Palestine in Gaza for roughly 17 years. Hamas isn’t exactly democratic.

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      Yeah, but I don’t blame them. It was either that or let Israel increase oppression.

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          When peaceful change is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.

          Israel politicians aren’t idiots and know this. They wanted their own people to die (and have been caught saying so, to paraphrase, “terrorism is a small price to pay for being a super power”) so that they could have an excuse to perform genocide, a final solution to the Palestine problem.

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          Lol, you actually think there are “continuing attempts at long term solutions”?

          Other than the ethnic cleansing kind of “solution” on Israel’s part, that is

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          You think that practical obliteration of Gaza and hundreds of thousands of innocent dead is preferable to continuing attempts to long term solutions?

          Who’s attempting long-term solutions? Because it’s sure as hell not Israel and its far right government. No seriously the current situation of Palestine is specifically so that the Palestinian people have no representative who can call for a two-state solution.

          Also given what we see from the West now, I don’t see the empathy doing much.

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              Who is/was attempting a peaceful solution?

              Well, the Oslo accords were almost there until a Zionist assassinated the prime minister, who was replaced by Bibi and we all know how that went. The 2012 ceasefire was also going somewhere, but Israel didn’t hold their end of the deal (along with being vehemently opposed to the newly formed unified Palestinian government and fighting it at every turn) so the whole thing fell through. An Israel ruled by the far-right, and especially by Bibi, can’t and won’t pursue peace.

              Bibi actively created and maintained the current situation in which peace is impossible.

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                Prime ministers come and go. Many Israeli citizens fell empathy for Palestinians but a lot less do now.

                Bibi barely won a majority of the votes, now the country will stand in solidarity behind him. Thanks Hamas.

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      Would you choose a slow guaranteed death through oppression or risk a possible quick death for a better life for all your family and friends?

      I’m asking you. Not your opinion of a whole population. I’m asking you. Imagine yourself in that camp, being bombed daily. What do you choose to do to survive and thrive as a human?

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        There was no guaranteed death, things were very difficult and would have continued to be for a long time. At least there was hope.

        Now there is a guaranteed death, thanks to Hamas.

        “for a better life” in this case the leveling of the entire Gaza Strip and the obliteration of ANY hope of self governance?

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          Half the population of Gaza is 19 and under. Sounds like a guaranteed early death for me if few people are living to an old age.

          Why again do they need to be caged up for generations?