That maxim, “There are no atheists in foxholes,” it’s not an argument against atheism — it’s an argument against foxholes.
- James K. Morrow
On the other hand, if you’re already on the battlefield…
Praying in that situation splits your attention from staying the fuck alive and is not recommended.
I’d personally prefer something more along the lines of a bear cave, I think 🤷
I have never prayed to god and I’ve never been in a plane crash.
I am constantly praying to god, and I’ve never been in a plane crash. Checkmate atheists!
Yeah if you account for all the wank sessions you were broadcasting to your creator, the reason you’re still alive is either proof of there not being a god, or a very perverted one.
You Have Wank Hastily
I say “jesus christ” about a lot of things. Does that count as praying?
I think that’s actually a sin
Nope, that’s not taking his name in vain. No matter how much the christian busy bodies would have you believe. That particular idea is about shit like the prosperity gospel or christian nationalists.
I had understood it to mean, like, making an oath (“I swear to God…” or the whole hand-on-a-Bible swearing) and not following through, or making it lightly.
Jesus had a whole thing about it, saying that not only should you not make an oath in God’s name lightly, but that you shouldn’t at all (implying it shouldn’t be necessary, if you’re already an honest person). “Let your yes be yes, and your no be no.”
Which, honestly, makes way more sense than some nonsense about not saying their names.
Jesus has already forgiven me.
Is that the Biblical Jesus, or just some Hispanic dude?
Since it has the same effect, it might as well.
I occasionally pray to aliens and I’ve never been in any kind of crash
I have never prayed to Sam Jackson and I’ve only been on one plane that I saw a snake on.
“I have no evidence for any of this but I know in my heart it’s true!”
Sums up all major religions in one sentence.
These facts don’t align with my feelz.
“I don’t know it for a fact… I just know that it’s true”.
So this person believes their god wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives, and to die anyway? Thats so fucked up.
Christian God is a narcissist and will burn you for eternity for not praising him properly. This is nothing new.
God breaks his own rules in the ten commandments. God tells us not to be jealous of our neighbors while describing himself as a jealous god.
While true, christians have been sidestepping that one, and others like it, for longer than our civilization has been a nascent idea. They just say the laws that apply to man don’t apply to god. It’s not even that difficult of a conclusion. See: God causes a crack in the earth to swallow up an entire family because they sinned? A-ok. Can a man kill someone and their family because they sinned? Nope, have to follow the laws about it, written in some book called leshitticus or something, idk.
God acting as an executioner for crimes he’s supposed to judge seems not as bad as God just straight up being like “yeah folks, I’m jealous and petty! But also perfect! But you better not be jealous and petty!”
That’s why “Christian morality is objective” and “God is all good” are mutually exclusive statements.
Technically, the 10 commandments tell believers not to be envious. Not to envy your neighbor’s stuff.
Envy is “I wish I had what someone else has.”
Jealousy is “I’m worried someone else will take what should be mine.”
(Though in modern English “jealous” has largely absorbed the meaning for “envious,” I think the distinction is worth making because both concepts are individually useful.)
Since the first commandment is “you shall have no other gods before me,” God being “a jealous God” fits the 10 commandments well.
Not that this refutes your argument or anything but they’re not sidestepping it. It’s an example of “rules for thee not for me”. As far as they’re concerned capital G od is above men and as it’s his right to impose rules that apply only to those beneath him.
You can see it in their politics, Christians support the top down model and don’t believe those in positions of authority should be held accountable in the same way as the “common” man. UNLESS, they represent an opposing ideological stance.
If anything, the thing you should use as an example of God’s hypocrisy is that he sicks Satan (who is subservient to God) on humanity… as a flex?
Politically that’s be like the DNC being subservient to the Republican party and being used to piss off a bunch…wait (This is a joke… kinda)
Oh I know, it’s not meant to be the one true argument to destroy anyone’s belief in god. But yeah the entire story of Job is just so fucked up. God literally puts Job through so much suffering just because of a pissing match with the devil.
The real lesson of all those old testimate stories is that God doesn’t care about your life, only your soul. Take from that what you will
God so loved his creation that they would condemn to hellfire every child born into slavery who never has a chance to experience or express a single ounce of religious agency, much less participate in the requisite Christian salvation pageantry!
Her pain is God’s love!
Tbf, of all the fucked up shit and inconsistency in the bible, this one isn’t really a thing. The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.
The tenth commandment is very structured around “wanting shit that isn’t yours.” Because God (canonically) is the rightful owner of all things, he cannot be covetous
The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.
Since the Bible wasn’t originally written in English, could that be simply something lost in translation, tho?
Yes, that’s straight up how the Abrahamic God is described in scripture
Not necessarily. Perhaps God is killing these people because they had not been adequately fearful in their everyday lives, and had failed to provide sufficient lamentations for God’s satisfaction. He might be willing to let you live if you cower and whimper in anticipation of his wrath.
god pls no
wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives
Ha, sounds live the average CEO. That, and if whatever someone prays for shows up, it’s because they made it happen. And if it doesn’t show up, it’s because the praying person didn’t put in enough effort.
The Abrahamic God in its most popular forms is exactly that. It’s poor, ignorant person’s idea of a powerful ruler.
What’s so fucked up about human sacrifice? Gods have been demanding them all the time.
According to the most recent studies, it turns out the name of God is
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH”
Allan?
Imagine how shocked the world would be if it turns out the Arabic word for God comes from a black box recording that got swung back in time after a plane crash, with the last bit of the recording being stuck…
that last bit of recording? copilot waking up right before the crash, calling out to the pilot called Allan, but halfway through the word it turns into a scream. All-AAAAAAAH! BOOM.
And the whole world is just stuck on this otherwise insignificant fact. Never mind that someone just dug up carbon-dated 2000-ish year old (carbon-dated) contemporary technology, proving time travel is possible, or that people 2000-ish years ago managed to somehow make that tech work enough to influence the third largest language in a very significant manner… No, it’s the fact that the Arabic word for God came from a guy named Allan.
I like to think that a small learjet carrying 12 passengers passes through a time portal, and when the captain steps out onto that Tigris plain, he winces at the sun and says “Jesus Christ!” and the people bowed
See that wouldn’t really work. The modern “Jesus” is actually quite far from the original old Hebrew/Aramaic name he would’ve used.
No, it would’ve been Yeshua or Yehoshua (the Bible has some shifting references as to when the longer form of the name might’ve gotten shortened to Yeshua).
Similarly, “Christ” isn’t something used in Aramaic. It’s not even technically his name, it’s more of a title, from the Greek Χριστός (Christos, translating as "anointed), which in Hebrew would be mashiakh - or in direct English translation… Messiah.
Furthermore Yeshua was a quite common name at the time, in Nazareth alone you would’ve found a handful, even though the village was maybe a thousand people at the time.
So, modernized, Joshua Messiah
Joshuah the Messiah/Anointed, yes.
إن شاء الله
There is a missing L
deleted by creator
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To be a party pooper, according to the old testament it’s JHWH or in long, Jehovah.
Nope, “Jehovah” is a latinization. “Yahweh”/“YHWH” is a more accurate rendering.
But in the Latin alphabet, Jehova begins with an I.
I’m pretty sure there are at least four where the last thing on them is “allahu akbar”
Technically counts as a prayer to a god…
It’s even the same god
(misread as “not even the same”, my mistake.)
I’m assuming the poster is Christian, tbf. If they’re just a very demonstrative Zoroastrian, then it’s not the same god (mostly. That’s a little debatable, but I’m not informed enough to debate it).
But the god of Abraham is the god of Abraham. If there’s a debate there, you’ll have to explain it to me.
Edit: I saw your edit, nvm!
Strictly speaking we don’t know which god the original image is referencing, although I’d agree it’s likely to be the Abrahamic God.
“Allahu akbar” could even be roughly translated in intention as “oh my god”, or “dear lord”, or “HOLY SHIT!”. Yes literal translation is “God is great”, but what the fuck is “Oh Jesus in heaven” if not that.
Same thing, different name :P
OHHHH GANESH SAVE ME!
I heard one black box where the pilot’s final words were just a very resigned, almost conversational, “Goddamnit.”
I heard one where the pilot exclaimed “we’re doing it!” [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.
Please give me the sauce. I need more information on this
It’s in one of Mayday episodes, I can’t remember which one but it’s likely easy to find if you search for that.
It seems like it should be Alaska Air flight 261. But I can’t find the source on the saying. Maybe I dreamed it!
Strong chance my final words will be “Oh shoot, shoooot.” Even tho I swear like a sailor, if it’s really bad, I go for clean language.
Praying is wishing, It has the same effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don’t. It gives us comfort, because our brains are wired like that, if we can’t get what we want, maybe some authority can give it to us by asking nicely. Expressing it soothes us. It’s like screaming HELP! when you fell down a well. It’s not aimed at anyone in particular, it’s just a cry for anyone or anything to help you, because you’re desperate.
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Yes, and even God can’t understand what is it that they want this time.
Easy, both to be inside and outside is what cats want
Schrödinger’s cat.
No, wait…
Hilarious to consider a deity who’s existence resolves upon observation in an afterlife that also resolves upon death.
It doesn’t ever work. It just occasionally coincides with reality.
And when you’re in a life and death situation, those odds are good enough.
In some cases it does work. Believe can cause wonder healings. Not because of supernatural but because of subconscious.
Is there evidence that that’s actually what happens and not just e.g. spontaneous remission? But even if it’s true, if a drug works as well as placebo then we usually conclude that it doesn’t work.
Also, people who know that someone else is praying for them actually have worse outcomes according to one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on this.
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Why would cats pray to themselves?
It’s not aimed at anyone in particular,
But a prayer is directly aimed at one thing. I understand that there are literally hundreds of Gods, but each individual would typically only target one.
Praying is retarded.
My favourite part is how people thank God for surviving a disaster. Like, your God put you there and you’re thanking it for saving you from the disaster it put you in? Lol
HiS wAyS aRe MyStErIoUs
Yeah. “This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!”
Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He’s probably thanking god for being alive. It’s bizarre.
I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don’t remember the exact wording): “RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven.”
So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!
I have no idea how people live in this mindset.
It’s purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.
My mind doesn’t work that way, I can’t auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.
If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it’s comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.
I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.
it’s like removing the tariffs to reduce grocery prices
It is always either “God works in mysterious ways” or “It was a test from God”.
I used to tell those types of people that gay, Trans etc was a test. Except it’s not the gay and trans people being tested. And they failed.
That’s what is called codependency
“it” is crazy work lmao
Yeah. It’s like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it’s the dumbass family but it’s really a special moment when it’s the dumbass patient themselves.
What’s our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?
(I’m not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).
They probably blame the devil for putting them in the situation.
Who else are they gonna pray to? Joe Pesci?
The FAA obviously
The air traffic controllers that didn’t get paid for the last while
Well, he looks like a guy that can get things done!
Odin, Amun-Ra, Perun, Sol Invictis, Jupitor, Zeus, Vishnu, Deified Alexander of Macedonia, Et cetera there are lots of gods outside of fucken Yahweh to choose from.
I’d only pray to Odin if I was worried about frost giants.
Considering I haven’t seen any frost giants lately, I think Odin is doing a great job!
Yes, a large percentage of the population is religious, that doesn’t make their religion true
Ok it’s funny but black box doesn’t record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?
That’s what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.
They ask you to stow the tray if something happens because the microphone is on the underside of the tray and hears you better that way
that makes sense
That plus pilots’ mics.
“Black box” usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that’s not standard.
“Are all our prayers answered? Yes, they are. What people who ask that question often don’t realize is that sometimes the answer to our prayer is “no.” Dear God, please make my mother not be crazy. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please let me recover from cancer. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please take away this toothache. God’s answer: alright, but you’re going to be run over by a car.”
-Christopher Durang
Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You
What’s the difference between “no” and no answer?
Well, she clearly states that God never gives no answer. You see, God is omniscient. He knows what you have prayed for and you, by knowing that he is omniscient, know that He knows. Thus, if you don’t get what you have prayed for then you can safely assume, despite God not explicitly stating as such, that His answer is no.
Lazy worldbuilding be like.
Which leads us to asking how can you tell the difference between God answering and things that would have happened anyway…
Actually, I’ve seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.
What’s hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.
Is that the same god who chose pedo Antoinette the horse dick sucking Russian traitor?
It’s a non-denominational “generic” type god.
Gnostics believe that YHWH is a lower, malevolent being that plays an antagonistic part to the Supreme Being who is unknowable
So, El? That sounds an awful lot like the Canaanite mythology that Judaism sprung from. Yahweh was just a hotheaded war & storm god in a wide pantheon headed by El.
