You just need to rebrand it. It’s not a skirt. It’s a kilt.
It’s not a dress, it’s a long tunic.
It’s not jeggings, it’s…uh…stretchy jeans.
They’re not bras, they’re apple bottom stabilizers that double as moob support apparatus.
Boots with the fur!
Or a hakama, if you’re more the samurai type.
jeggings
Tactical jeans.
Bringe back þe tunic.
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Meh, middle-aged white guy here. Got 3 kilts and they’re not so great. Kinda fun in the woods. Went to a party last winter with camo girl leggings and it was super nice. But usually, nah.
The women I dated were hardly conservative, or they wouldn’t be with me, and not a one liked 'em, visibly turned off. YMMV.
Middle age white chick here - might depend on the crowd you are around. I have a lot of friends who wear kilts (as in most of the men I consider friends, including the 6.5ft 400lb giant of a man. Just totally happens to be that way, they don’t know each other for the most part, and I find out years after becoming friends) and they don’t seem to have any trouble getting laid (not all of them are strictly into women, but they get teh secs so whatever floats their goats). But kilts aren’t the only counter-culture they actively and clearly participate in, both aesthetically and personally. That might make the difference; that’s just who they are and they are comfortable with themselves enough to do whatever.
If I saw some dude in a kilt and leggings I’d be super amused and chat with them, but I’m asexual so I also wouldn’t be interested, but I’d be interested in you, the person. The same way I’d be interested to talk to a dude in a prom dress or whatever. If their spine is so shiny they can rock that shit in public, I probably want to know them.
“Spine is so shiny” I… I’m going to be thinking about that phrase all day now.
It’s a good phrase! Maybe one of the best phrases I’ve been exposed to because it implies a lot without the awkwardness of saying it outright.
Nah, you gotta own it. Capitulating to toxic masculinity and calling your dress a tunic to avoid ridicule is alpha cuck shit. “Please don’t make fun of me, I’m not wearing a skirt, it’s a kilt!” Nah, this is a skirt and it is so much more comfortable than your denim jeans. We’re shopping at target, Braxton, not working on a farm. My outfit is the superior one for this activity
While I admire your attitude, I don’t think it’s a great idea to try and get around gender stereotypes by rebranding. The best way in my opinion is just to own it and be confident. Going around them in a way enforces them, because you’re changing the name to avoid the stigma that comes with breaking them as opposed to questioning and opposing it.
I’m afraid not everyone is confident, I do however plan on getting myself a kilt one day as well as some programming/Unix socks to go with it.
The key is to start small and go slowly. It’s possible to build up confidence over time and just work up to it.
“They are not women’s clothing. I bought them. They are mine.” Eddy Izzard
Ah, but now she’s Suzy Izzard, this line has a whole new context in which to be explored
I think it is changing. A few decades ago women wearing pants also weren’t acceptable.
Though I think there is a loophole. If you would put on a Scottish Kilt you probably would be ok.
Just commented, nah, women do not like the kilt look, not any I’ve dated. I’m not so hot on them myself. One of those things that sounds like a good idea, doesn’t really work out. OTOH, very nice with leggings and combat boots. Warm!
Guys, if you want to try one, get a knock-off Utilikilt. Loads of pockets, manly looking (I think) without the formal pleated look. I never have a chance to wear the pleated one. :(
The women I’ve dated that are into men love guys in kilts, but I’m a woman so it may be that bi women are more likely to like it than straight women. That said I’ve heard complaints that some guys don’t bother with ensuring it’s a good kilt for them and picking a good outfit with it
I wore a Utilikilt for a while. They’re surprisingly uncomfortable. Sitting in a kilt requires effort. The material is a heavy denim, which is hot and doesn’t fall nicely. I expected the breeze to be enjoyable. It’s not.
The pockets are good.
Perhaps for the younger generations? Gen X will always think it looks weird if a man wears a summer dress, because trend choices get fixated in your late teens and don’t change that much after that.
Shout out to my skinny guys: Girl clothes are cut for us, especially at the waist. Hoodies and jackets are the bomb. Try it. Wife about shit when I strapped on my new women’s jacket. “OH! SO sexy!”
Got plenty of casual clothes given to me by exes. That’s how I learned.
Buttons and zippers on the “wrong” side are a pain, still worth it.
(For context: I’m a middle-aged, white guy living in the South. No one so much as blinks.)
None of those are women’s clothes though, they’re “women’s” clothes, gendered only by companies trying to make more money.
That’s the point he’s trying to make
Not really. Good women’s clothing is cut differently then men’s clothing, so it fits our bodies better, mostly accomodating our narrower waists and wider hips. (And the zippers and buttons are on the opposite side too of course.)
Lies! Deception! Women’s clothing rarely accomodates my wide hips. Swimming shorts at the men’s fit me better. Which it shouldn’t! Same goes for nice, loose clothing. Even the largest sizes just feel like they are trying to shape my shape into a more feminine shape, rather than accomodate my shape comfortably. Fuck women’s clothing. Flimsy, thin, short, cold, crawling, tight, garbage with stupid design. All of it.
Exactly! I’m like a 28 inch waist and it’s nearly impossible to find men’s jackets, T-shirts or hoodies that fit right.
Tried buying girl versions of those things? Not sure about T-shirts, haven’t tried that. But I have a small middle-aged gut, not much at all, but I think I might look silly in a woman’s T-shirt.
Idk, haven’t tried “women’s” sizes yet, but will when I get the chance.
For a long time, and still now, left is met with criticism. People just like to control other people’s lives strangely
I have my own pair of leggings because they’re comfy AF and if anyone wants to talk shit about that, two things: A, my wife bought them for me and that makes them EXTRA special, and 2: fuck off randy, the only reason you’re so butt hurt is because your massive insecurities prevent your ass from being caressed by a cloud.
They are very comfy, I’m not sure why they’re considered a girls only thing anyway. I’ll still wear them regardless I don’t really care.
The great thing about skirts is that they can be breezy even when they’re long! So if you’re not comfortable with everyone looking at your legs, or can’t be bothered trying to sit without showing your crotch, get a nice sweepy skirt that comes to your ankles and Stride! Sprawl! Swagger and Swash! Shwing!
Yes! Floor length skirts are amazing!
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Man I wish people were that nice to me before I came out
In a warm climate I’d imagine the breeze is nice. Up here in Canada though you need a pair of egg warmers.
Depends on which part of Canada you’re in but where I am? It’s been above freezing for the past couple days and will likely stay that way. In Summer it’ll get 33c or higher (91.4f for the Americans). Where I’m from originally it would work even better because the summers get that hot but also absurdly humid. Like 95% humidity.
I’m in Mb which has been surprisingly nice lately. (Almost scary to be honest considering it’s supposed to be between -10 to -20c this time of year.)
Still though, freezing drizzle with a draft up the backside is less than comfortable in my opinion lol!
Wore women’s camo leggings with an olive-drab utili-kilt. Damn that was comfortable. But wearing a kilt in the woods and the heat? Just didn’t feel right to me, and I’ve tried a couple of different kinds.
I’ve never been bit by mosquitos in my dangly bits, and I don’t think I want to be. Had a woodtick there once when I was 8, that was more than enough.
Canada has more than one season. It can get very warm in the summer
Well yes, but I’m referring to present day with it being winter. In the summer it easily gets past +30c here. Last summer I would have gladly run around nekkid when it was +36c if I wouldn’t get arrested.
you need a pair of egg warmers.
I have no conceptual problem as a cishet man with wearing skirts, but I’ve worn drag on stage in high school and it was sort of hard to stop flashing people my underwear at various points and that would be all I would think about if I wore a skirt now.
You could go with the athletic shorts under the skirt, still a lot of airflow but no risk of flashing.
Just wear a nice snug pencil skirt: no chance of flashing your knickers and it will look great with your heels.
That doesn’t sound breezy and comfortable.
Are JNCOs skirts?
A skirt for each leg. The truest equality.
I dont know maybe you need to change where you live before saying “all of society” is like this.
They living on the internet and people on the internet do be like that.
Or they live in places where “society” is so bothered by it, a handful of old white men are fighting tooth and nail to enact laws forcing it to be a problem in the name of god…
Enby here, the South (USA) is not safe for the likes of us…
You are right. I forget how the world is when I play videogames and don’t leave my home for a while.
fuck pants
He has an erection in both.
Sometimes the “offense” that guys feel over guys wearing skirts and stuff is definitely from closeted thoughts or outright self-hate, but that’s not necessarily the case. The underlying issue is they view clothing as gendered in the first place.
Style shouldn’t be associated with sexual attraction implicitly, but it does for stupid people, and many people are stupid. Especially horny guys thinking with the wrong head.
The mere presence of a particular article turns them on, and they project that to intent. It is entirely subjective if they get upset at popping a boner, or upset that a male would use clothing that traditionally makes a female sexy. It requires the dumb person to view another’s clothing choice as a direct expression to them, but stupid people taking things personally that aren’t personal should be preeeetty easy to understand!
It’s a lesser mindset, male-focused version of, “what was she wearing?” after an SA event. Just because I’m trying to look pretty and you like some part of that, I am still most definitely not coming on to you by wearing it.
I never really considered this perspective and really appreciate you sharing it, thank you!
I think you hit the nail on the head. It is very interesting how different I (male-presenting) get treated when I wear a skirt vs trousers. The whole rest of my outfit and appearance is similar - I have the same haircut, glasses, coat, boots, backpack. But when I wear a skirt, I know that people notice me far more, and I also for some reason start getting compliments from women.
So I dont think that’s something which only happens with men noticing women, but that skirts (especially yhe ones which are shorter and more fitting) society at large seems to associate with sexual attraction. I will be honest, it is a bit of fun to know I have so much power over peoples attention - that I can control the amount of attention on me by wearing pants vs a skirt. But I also fully agree with what you’re saying - people can wear skirts just because they like them, not because they want to be sexy to you (shocker moment).
I know that we subconciously do it all the time, but: how do you deal with the fact that people treat you differently just based on what you’re wearing?
I’m not so sure I DO “deal” with it. I just do mostly what I want and get annoyed at people when they get judgemental about it.
I HATE peacocking or doing anything to show off because I hate attention, so style has always been a question I deliberately fail to answer.
Makes sense. Thanks for your insight!
At least to more directly answer your question: I absolutely despise gendered style. You’d imagine access to the loins would be universal, but noooo, of course the more common target of desire gets the short end of the stick…
Humans are still disgustingly simple beings. That’s genuinely how I feel about your question.
Hmm, in which sense simple? Just don’t get the connection :)
Just commented a couple of times on my kilts being a visible turn off to the women I’ve dated. I’m a small man, not afraid of girl clothes, but that wasn’t hitting with 'em.
Before you go banging on people for “lesser mindsets” and such, consider this; Attraction is not a choice.
Let me day that again for those in the back; Attraction is not a choice.
I think we might be agreeing, but let’s not put people down for their attractions.
We definitely shouldn’t be putting down people for their attractions, but I think there is value in highlighting that a person’s concept of attractiveness can be socially constructed and therefore can also be deconstructed.
I think instead of labelling people with narrow or socio-centric concepts of attraction as “lesser” or stupid or uninformed isn’t fair, but I also think it’s fair to say that they likely haven’t gone through the process of deconstructing why they feel the way they do.
Except for the interesting intellectual exercise, why deconstruct it? Again, attraction is not a choice. If a man in a kilt turns a woman off? So be it. It’s not like emotions can be fought with logic.
All worth discussing and thinking about, but in the end deconstruction of attraction won’t win anyone over.
Because it’s valuable to deconstruct any concept that is held without a clear reason. It’s far more important to know why you believe or feel what you do than just knowing what you feel or believe.
I’m not expecting to convince people of my position, nor to have others change their positions based upon said deconstruction, but it’s worth raising nonetheless.
If attraction can be socially programmed (as it so very obviously is), then it can similarly be deconstructed. The first step to achieving that is questioning the motivation for attraction beyond “that’s hot”.
It constantly astounds me that people somehow do not understand the concept of introspection.
The “why” is more important than the “what”. Always. Killing a man is cold blooded murder in one context, and saving your entire family in another. Thoughts are the same. If you don’t know why you are correct, you are far less likely to be correct on a less obvious question.
I swear, these are the people that hear a Trolley Problem and only start asking questions to see if they can get you to agree with killing more than the other track…
Attraction is not a choice, but if your reaction to cognitive dissonance is to get angry at someone wearing clothing, that is a YOU problem.
Yes, lots of people have problems with this. That does not make it acceptable. Again, attraction is not a choice, but you do not have to hump their leg.
I hear those excuses all the time from rapists. “I was attracted!”, “look what she was wearing!” Know what you defend when you say people cannot control their attraction: That’s EXACTLY what a lot of rapists say.
People SHOULD be able to control their attraction, at least enough to be a civil person. Being a rude piece of shit over clothing is very much ALSO not being a civil person. Things don’t have to get violent for them to still be wrong.
Oh definitely. While it’s not a given that bigoted folks are closeted, it’s worth noting that there’s been some studies showing it’s not just a joke: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/
Your take on it seems likely in other cases, and/or some combo of both.
That said, I would much rather a man with an erection look at me like on the right than like on the left, which was a bit more where my joke was coming from.
