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    I think it should be considered rape.

    Men who pay for sex are the driving force behind human trafficking.

    I’m all for freedom, and I will acknowledge that there are probably women in the “sex trade” who were not trafficked or coerced into it, but that number pales in comparison to the number of girls who have been stolen and forced into a horrific life, having lost all control of their future. Freedom is among the most important qualities of human life, and the horror of human trafficking and the way it completely removes all freedom from the lives of its victims trumps the freedom of choosing to sell sex.

    Most places, prostitution is illegal, enforced by going after the prostitute and slapping the wrists of the men who use them. I find it immoral and reprehensible that women would be criminalized for this.

    Rather, men who make use of sex workers should be ostracized from society and imprisoned as rapists. And the women should be treated with compassion and care, as victims of abuse.

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          Economic coercion is a problem in sex work, but it is one that cannot ever be adressed by any policy only targeting conditions around sex work, but exclusively by policies that directly remove the coercive conditions under the rule of capital. No anti-sex work law will remove the fact that people see no choice but entering survival sex work, or migrating from the periphery into the center to work as prostitutes. The only way to prevent that is to end poverty and i know i do not have to explain to you what that entails, we’re in agreement on that.

          This comment is also not entirely directed at your reply, it’s more about the general line of thinking that started this comment chain. I’m not under the impression that most sex workers are abducted victims of human trafficking, that’s a line of thinking that is always brough tup by swerfs and never backed up with any evidence, i think that your remark towards economic coercion is much closer to the core problem at play here.

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            I’m not disagreeing with your take there. I have no policy ideas to offer myself.

            My issue is with the agonizingly bad take of “buying breakfast at the cafe down the road is exactly as exploitative as soliciting (possibly) trafficked people for sex in the Phillipines.” libertarian-alert

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          We’re all victims of economic coercion. Very few would willingly work service or clerical jobs if they didn’t need to.

          If that’s your rubrik, then whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service.

          We all work because we need to get paid to survive. Knowing that, how do you believe those who choose for that work to be sex work should be treated?

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            false equivalency intensifies

            Some things that are bad are worse than other things that are bad.

            If that’s your rubrik

            Fuck everything that came after that pretentious sentence starter. I’m not going to humor your dubiously-motivated sophistry.

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            then whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service

            With that bewilderingly bad false equivalency, you sound like you may be trying to banish a guilty conscience, or if you lack even that, you may be trying to vindicate what you’ve already paid for regarding economically coerced company. kombucha-disgust

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                Believe that if you want, but “buying breakfast at the cafe down the road is exactly as exploitative as soliciting (possibly) trafficked people for sex in the Phillipines” is a horrible take and the pretentious Reddity format it was presented in did not seem good faith to me.

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              Guy who refuses to answer the first question asked continues to deflect because he knows there’s no logical position he can take that isn’t ‘I don’t like sex workers’.

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                Guy who refuses to answer the first question

                Your “question” was garbage to begin with because you’re seriously arguing that all work is only equally harmful and exploitative.

                no logical position

                I don’t see why you need to stan so hard for unregulated sexpat adventures when you’re doing a fine job masturbating right there.

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                  You deflected first by invoking economic coercion. Unless it’s your firm belief that there are zero people who would knowingly choose to fuck for money over taking a menial job.

                  Get better talking points than these sad little ad hominems, they aren’t helping you.

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                    You deflected first

                    That doesn’t matter to me whatsoever. You sound like a creepy sexpat using false equivalencies to vindicate your little hobby.

                    they aren’t helping you

                    Don’t say stupid shit like “all work is equally as exploitative.”