Ignore the experts who were saying for years that viral spillover was inevitable if we continue deforestation. It must be the scheming orientals.
No one disputes that this could be a transcendence issue, but China’s continuous blocking any efforts that are not controlled by them makes any investigation suspect. The Chinese should have already hosted an investigation. This will have been presented to the initial who investigation. Any further investigations will have zero credibility.
goddamnit is this what we get for federating with libs? Unironic lab leak theory? Truly bleak
They think conspiracy theories are just something Qanon does
Unironic lab leak theory
This, except the lab in question is Fort Detrick.
You’re the one generalizing everyone as “libs”
I guarantee that you would be cooking up these conspiracy theories regardless of any investigations that China had allowed. They could have shipped every citizen of Wuhan straight to your house so you could personally interview them and it still wouldn’t be enough.
I guarantee that you are just another bot set up to deflect any negative comments about China regardless of how credible they seem.
Regardless of how credible they seem
Where’s the credibility? All you do is call people bots because you can’t handle being disagreed with. Where’s your factual basis for your claims? Where’s your trustworthy sources and references? You have nothing except childish racism and insults
They don’t have any factual basis. They’re an incredibly bitter small minded racist. They’ve been posting the same shit on almost every thread they’re in. It’s really sad to to see. As much as we teach our children about tolerance and acceptance you still get people like this with their warped views. They’re too far down the rabbit hole of racism to notice so will just lash out at anyone by calling them a bot. It’s pathetic.
:yea: what’s really sad is that it seems like they think they’re in some sort of brave fight against evil Chinese propaganda, which there’s apparently dedicated a lot of resources to spread on a niche webforum
O er, the racism card again.
You could just stop being racist. It’s really easy not to get called a racist actually. I do it all the time. I don’t get called a racist daily.
You can’t just assume someone is racist because they disagree with you. It’s like calling you antisemitic for criticizing Israel. They brought up that China shouldn’t have blocked initial investigations and instead of replying with any facts yourself, you immediately jumped to assuming they’re racist and how they would’ve behaved if they hadn’t.
The Chinese should have already hosted an investigation.
That wording totally doesn’t sound racist.
Something happens in Kenya
The Blacks should have already hosted an investigation.
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I am in favor of a joint multilateral investigation into Ft Dietrick
What ever happened to the mysterious Vaping disease in USA in 2019? Its like covid happened and then vape disease disappeared. Funny how people were dying of vape disease and Unknown respiratory disease was destroying Eldercare facilities in USA way before Covid was ever discovered in China but nobody is looking into those deaths or their origins.
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https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/outbreak-investigation-assisted-living-facility-springfield
Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak
So it could have been covid or a precursor.
https://www.rsna.org/news/2022/march/EVALI-Diagnosis
“both EVALI and COVID-19 can manifest with similar clinical and imaging findings”
They literally just got a bunch of people who got sick asked if they vaped and decided it was vaping that got them sick after ruling out a few other possibilities. A percentage of the tiny sample showed no vitamin e acetate so that can’t be the cause.
Vape usage hasn’t slowed down yet all but EVALI disappeared? That’s like if everyone kept using asbestos but asbestosis just disappeared. Occam’s razor says EVALI was Covid before they knew what covid was.
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There is nothing that is indicating that. The evidence that we do have is that the “several specimens were positive for rhinovirus, the cause of the common cold.”.
Did you not read? its in the article you linked. No pathogen identified. Some of them may have had Rhinovirus too but obviously that was ruled out or they wouldn’t have said “Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak”
While there has been a noticeable decrease in EVALI cases since 2020 that is likely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has closed schools and limited social activities limited, the illness has not gone away.
Why would closing schools have stopped a non communicable disease caused by a hobby? That is stupid. Furthermore Schools have been reopened for a long time.
One fact which should make it very clear that’s not COVID is that COVID is caused by a virus. And if it were COVID it would have spread and killed way more people, you know one of the famous traits of COVID.
Maybe it was just not as deadly or communicable at that point? Covid mutates you know. If it were a precursor kids sharing vape pens it would make transmission far easier. If there is any chance this was covid why is there no investigation into the origins of covid in USA?
You know the Spanish flu didn’t originate in Spain? Its just the first place where they identified that it was a new disease. Why do they keep pushing for China to be investigated when it could have come from anywhere and just been identified first in China?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Whether it naturally sprang from animals at a Chinese wet market or was a deliberately engineered virus that leaked from a lab remains to this day a question shrouded in mystery, providing fertile ground for conspiracy theories.
In a surprise move, the new chief scientist at the World Health Organization backed a fact-finding mission to China despite his own doubts that COVID-19 escaped from an institute for virology in Wuhan.
In the FT interview, Farrar said he would be in favor of a fresh investigation into the origin of a microscopic virus that wreaked untold economic damage, brought the health system to the brink of collapse, and cost millions of lives around the world.
The WHO previously dispatched a team to investigate the origins, but the results published in early 2021 were tainted in the eyes of many as Beijing insisted in a joint effort that undermined confidence.
The study only served to confirm criticisms repeatedly leveled at the United Nations public health body and its top official, Tedros Ghebreyesus, that it bent over backwards to accommodate the Chinese regime.
In testimony presented before Congress last month, the lead author on a controversial “proximal origin” study rejected allegations from Republican lawmakers that he was unduly influenced by either Fauci or Farrar, then still the director of Wellcome Trust.
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I still don’t get how the wet market theory is less racist than the escaped from a lab theory.
Because one can be pinned down to government involvement, while the other can’t.
It’s the classic CCP defense: “We’re not an authoritarian country, you’re just racist!”.
EDIT: not saying that it was or wasn’t a lab leak, but as soon as the government shoots down the possibility with “you’re racist”, I immediately get suspicious. The same way that I get suspicious when Israel shoots down criticism with “you’re just anti-Semitic”. It’s basically gaslighting with identity politics.
It was never the theory that was racist, it was the amount of evidence behind it.
If “there’s a virology lab there” was all the evidence you needed to assert it was a lab leak, chances are it’s because you’re racist. That’s why early on, this theory was most popular with far-right reactionaries.
Meanwhile, what’s been the origin story of every similar virus? Animal trade. That’s why early on, this theory was most popular with actual scientists who were actually qualified to have an opinion.
Here’s an article from the AP on how the WHO team had full access to everything they wanted to see during their visit to Wuhan.
You’ll notice that link goes through the Wayback Machine, because the article now just says page unavailable.
Which is weird, because the search result clearly shows the text is still there.
Would “impartial” Western media really do that? Half-assedly delete the inconvenient truths that they themselves reported?
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The headline would be unsurprising even if it ended at the word China.
What
Can somebody ban these tankies they’re getting annoying
The source of COVID is likely China’s $60 billion dollar+ fur industry, and that is the reason they don’t want anyone looking. I’d bet if they did analysis, ancestors of COVID are found in the bats in Suning County, which is fairly close to Wuhan and one of the largest fur markets on the planet. The raccoon dogs that were sold at the market in Wuhan were likely animals with poor fur coats (because they were sick) and sent to butcher rather than being skinned for their fur. China’s fur industry requires vast tracts of land clearance since one of the primary furs, which is mink are obligate carnivores, so they need a supply of meat. The land clearance forces the horseshoe bats to roost in the barns with the animals that include minks and raccoon dogs. It explains every aspect of that the lab leak theory fails to address, with the two lineages, the genetic clock starting in October, and even why it spilled over to people in the time period that it did
The headline says “fact-finding mission to China” though.
