Are you informed about what they’re using AI for? One example is in-browser translations, which allows it to work offline and be privacy-respecting (no calls to Google, etc).
@Deebster@programming.dev @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world @firefox@fedia.io Why is translation marketed as AI?
You are hurting Firefox’s image by trying to label raw logic as AI which a buzzword accompanied by a lot more baggage you don’t want to have.
@jfmezei@mstdn.ca @Deebster@programming.dev @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world @firefox@fedia.io Maybe because Mozilla and their partners actually did use machine learning to build the model that powers the local translation feature?
The wide public has accepted calling all LLMs as “AI”. LLMs are probably the best tool to create quality, native-sounding translators. Since LLMs are called “AI”, modern translation engines which are made using LLMs will be called AI.
The other guy is just being a prescriptivist with language. It’s a sentiment I sympathize with and which others have made very coherently, but at some point we have to just accept that the “buzzword” is the way it is going to get used and stop getting bent out of shape about it.
They are the ones who made the announcement and I could give two wiffs of stinky piss about their image. I only care if they make a good product that serves my needs. The microsecond their product ceases to to be a ‘good’ product from my personal viewpoint, I’m dropping them and calling them out on it. They’ve got the best browser in the game rn (imo). Its their game to lose but it looks like they are starting to make some dumb ass choices.
If they want to build extensions that do those things, I fully support them.
I don’t need or want my engineering team building my browser doing things other than building my browser. I want them working on the browser. I need AI I didn’t ask for in my browser like I need an additional hole in my head.
I want my browser to be a browser and if Firefox isn’t focused on just building a great browser, I’m leaving.
I don’t really know any real alternative if you value privacy and the openness of the web?
There are 3 companies making (as in putting the real work into it) browsers, Apple Google and Mozilla. Apple is only serving its own interests, and Google has clearly indicated where they want the web to go (more ads, less blockers, more tracking).
@Orygin@sh.itjust.works @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world Also, if you’re looking to get away from AI in your browser, Opera is absolutely not the way to go. The company is run by techbros that will jump on any hype train to gain users. Good summary here: https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-opera-browser/
In 2016, Opera, developed in Norway, became a subsidiary of an investment group led by a Chinese consortium.
The company released a gaming-oriented version of the browser, Opera GX, in 2019, and a blockchain-focused Opera Crypto Browser into public beta in January 2022. In April 2023, the company announced a major overhaul to the browser called Opera 100 and code-named “Opera One”, adding a new user interface and several AI-related features.
Opera users also have access to Opera News, a news app based on an AI platform.
There are plenty of forks of Firefox, many of which will likely not follow Mozilla’s lead when it comes to adding non-essential functionality to the core product.
Ok, but you’re still using firefox under the hood. Same story as the chrome reskins: you are beholden to what upstream does. You can go around limitations and do stuff differently, but pretty sure it’s not the forks that will keep eg. the extension manifest V2 alive in chrome to be able to have a real ad blocker.
Every fork has a reason it exists, which is to do something specific differently from the upstream. There’s almost guaranteed going to be a fork whose whole shtick is going to be “no built-in AI”.
Are you informed about what they’re using AI for? One example is in-browser translations, which allows it to work offline and be privacy-respecting (no calls to Google, etc).
@Deebster@programming.dev @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world @firefox@fedia.io Why is translation marketed as AI?
You are hurting Firefox’s image by trying to label raw logic as AI which a buzzword accompanied by a lot more baggage you don’t want to have.
@jfmezei@mstdn.ca @Deebster@programming.dev @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world @firefox@fedia.io Maybe because Mozilla and their partners actually did use machine learning to build the model that powers the local translation feature?
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/local-translation-add-on-project-bergamot/
The wide public has accepted calling all LLMs as “AI”. LLMs are probably the best tool to create quality, native-sounding translators. Since LLMs are called “AI”, modern translation engines which are made using LLMs will be called AI.
The other guy is just being a prescriptivist with language. It’s a sentiment I sympathize with and which others have made very coherently, but at some point we have to just accept that the “buzzword” is the way it is going to get used and stop getting bent out of shape about it.
Its absolutely not my job to protect Firefox from its self.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/13/mozilla-downsizes-as-it-refocuses-on-firefox-and-ai-read-the-memo/
They are the ones who made the announcement and I could give two wiffs of stinky piss about their image. I only care if they make a good product that serves my needs. The microsecond their product ceases to to be a ‘good’ product from my personal viewpoint, I’m dropping them and calling them out on it. They’ve got the best browser in the game rn (imo). Its their game to lose but it looks like they are starting to make some dumb ass choices.
Corporate cheer leading is for sycophants.
If they want to build extensions that do those things, I fully support them.
I don’t need or want my engineering team building my browser doing things other than building my browser. I want them working on the browser. I need AI I didn’t ask for in my browser like I need an additional hole in my head.
I want my browser to be a browser and if Firefox isn’t focused on just building a great browser, I’m leaving.
Leave and go where ?
Any where? Its a browser not a religion.
I don’t really know any real alternative if you value privacy and the openness of the web?
There are 3 companies making (as in putting the real work into it) browsers, Apple Google and Mozilla. Apple is only serving its own interests, and Google has clearly indicated where they want the web to go (more ads, less blockers, more tracking).
Lol, well yes. It’s chromium under the hood.
@Orygin@sh.itjust.works @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world Also, if you’re looking to get away from AI in your browser, Opera is absolutely not the way to go. The company is run by techbros that will jump on any hype train to gain users. Good summary here: https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-opera-browser/
Uhhh
Bro really said opera
There are plenty of forks of Firefox, many of which will likely not follow Mozilla’s lead when it comes to adding non-essential functionality to the core product.
Ok, but you’re still using firefox under the hood. Same story as the chrome reskins: you are beholden to what upstream does. You can go around limitations and do stuff differently, but pretty sure it’s not the forks that will keep eg. the extension manifest V2 alive in chrome to be able to have a real ad blocker.
Every fork has a reason it exists, which is to do something specific differently from the upstream. There’s almost guaranteed going to be a fork whose whole shtick is going to be “no built-in AI”.