• OKRainbowKid@feddit.de
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    7 months ago

    They liberated it from fascism, and now they’re fighting imperialist wars to bring it back!

    Quite ironic, if you ask me.

    • я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      america and the west are the fascist empire, as they are the ones who support the banderites in the ukraine, as well as the genocidal occupation of palestine, not to speak of all the neocolonialism in the global south in general. every violence against them is self defense.

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        7 months ago

        Yet another war crime apologist!

        See, a war crime is when Americans kill civilians. China and Russia are allowed to kill civilians, that’s different.

        At least you probably understand why you and your scummy lookalikes can’t convince anyone.

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          I’m not with the other guy, but America is a neoliberal imperial empire. They have had multiple colonial territories that they’ve prevented from both independence and statehood, and are involved in the politics, economies, and militaries of countries all over the world where we use our weight to get more favorable terms for ourselves and dictate the course of that nation/state/country’s history. We constantly exploit various areas for the resources they provide with indifference to the effect of local people. We are one of the pinnacles of this style of technocratic, neofeudalist, neocolonial, imperial, plutocratic government. I’m not going to comment on fascism but it’s not exactly difficult to showcase both contemporaneously and historiographically that the United States has a bit of a fascism issue.

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            7 months ago

            They’re called Uyghurs. You’d know that if you got your news from somewhere besides Hexbear.

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              And I have news for you. The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.

              We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

              Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

              The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

              Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

              Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

              Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

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          7 months ago

          Russian doesn’t have articles, but a lot of languages do. It’s difficult enough for us non English speakers to have to write and read in a language we barely have active contact with. As founded your opinion over this tankie is, let this mild grammatic mistakes slide.

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          7 months ago

          Yeah, america seems to catch more shit for the one decent thing its half assing on a back burner than the dozens of atrocities that have been ongoing since before I was born. Combined.

        • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          Jaysus can ye not just slag adolescent boys for their stupid history?

          Do ye have to make everyfuckingthing about your same talking points?

            • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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              7 months ago

              The meme is making fun of testosterone-poisoned ‘history enthusiasts’, just make fun of them why you gotsa start your flame wars about ‘muh West’

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                Ah, another Russian bot, got it.

                Did you read the comment I responded to? Calling the West fascist, and using the pro-Russian “the Ukraine” phrase?

                Their OP comment was left alone because it stayed true to the meme (and I have no qualms acknowledging the sacrifices and victories the Soviets accomplished during the second world war), but they then took the comment chain off-topic.

                Idk what to tell you, mate, if this was supposes to stay on topic about “testosterone-poisoned ‘history enthusiasts’” maybe go tell that to the person who initially took it off the rails.

                Slava Ukraini!

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                  7 months ago

                  Jaysus just have a laugh at the tankies stop being such a pain in the hole.

                  You people only have one thing to say I swear to god

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                    7 months ago

                    Was any of this directed at you? Were you called out by name?

                    If you don’t like how I interact with other users, don’t read my comments. Like, fuck off dude, we’re not here to behave or react however you feel we should.

                    Jaysus fucking Christ, didn’t realize we had the fucking comment bobbies to dictate how we speak and feel.

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          Nah, (> Russian shill) is the overall take, not using the article. Слава Украине, tho.

          As a side-note, I suspect they’re trolling or are a кремлебот 😁

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        7 months ago

        I dare you to say that to the face of Ukrainian women and children being kidnapped and raped by Russian soldiers.

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        7 months ago

        You could end this war. You, personally. All you need to do is kill your masters.

        Maybe you wouldn’t survive, but you would deal such a blow to global fascism, and, perhaps, inspire similar acts in the american empire.

        I know the thought of death is terrifying, but you’ll probably be drafted soon anyway, and die in the mud, fighting for some incomprehensible exterminationist bullshit.

        Wouldn’t you rather die doing some good?

        • damn bro, its really funny when a fascist like you tries to adapt radical rhetoric… the west and their banderite puppets are the only ones trying to exterminate other peoples, something anglos have been doing since their very conception btw. i also would have liked to ask you to kill your masters, but considering how propagandized you are, it would already be a net positive if you would simply cease to breathe.

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            Wow. You really are just mask-off Russian government propaganda, aren’t you? There’s this thing called nuance and only the most vile of people refuse to see it. This “west bad, kys” nonsense isn’t just stupid, it’s boring. Go back to the drawing board and try again.

          • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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            7 months ago

            Try believing in something. It helps.

            Do the right thing.

            Hell, if youre good and you’ve got friends, you might even survive. But even if you don’t, there’s this movie they made that was a really lush retelling of the ‘green knight’ legend. Worth a watch, you know?