• slurpyslop@kbin.social
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    Not really. In detail, maybe, but there will always be an excuse available to avoid committing US resources to any given genocide.

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      Yes, but non-committal is different from active assistance for eighty plus years. Without the whole eighty plus years of support for the genociders its a lot easier to get to the help the people getting genocided. Hell I would say even with that some countries are on far thinner ice compared to Israel, like Turkey.

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        6 months ago

        that’s the thing though, they don’t need to “get help to” palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide

        you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can’t even just do nothing?

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          The problem is that diplomacy and foreign policy have weight and momentum, to even get to the do nothing stage you first have to kill said momentum to enough of a degree so as to seperate oneself. Its shit but its always been true, politics and diplomacy are rarely ever simple, even Rome had to play diplomacy with the Persians.

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            6 months ago

            rome famously neglected diplomacy, but in either case once you get rid of the mental gymnastics your argument boils down to “it’s too hard so we shouldn’t try”

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              If thats what you take from it sure, but my point im trying to convey is that shit like this is slow to change. Itll take time and effort regardless but with Israel in particular there are decades of momentum behind backing them. As I said in another comment a lot of Boomers for example back Israel because there were a quite a few holocaust survivors kicking around and the concept of not backing Israel became a taboo.

              To do nothing on the issue requires breaking a taboo and while not impossible it will take time regardless. If anything id say its breaking faster than id expect.

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                and my point is that it’s not going to change unless people attempt to change it

                it’s literally the same argument that gets wheeled out any time there’s pressure for social change, then when things finally change we all look back in 10 years and ask ourselves how the hell we ever tolerated the old way of doing things

                if you want to vote biden because you think the short term benefits of avoiding trump for another 4 years outweigh the long term drawbacks of further entrenching the same status quo that led to palestine, fine

                just don’t pretend that you never had any choice in the matter