• TerminalEncounter [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    I dunno how they’re gonna go about that considering Russia could just veto that attempt to strip them lol and citing PRCs permanent security councils seat is just silly.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      There is, however, precedent: the UN General Assembly in 1971 stripped Taiwan of the veto power it held as the representative of China, handing it instead to the communist government of the mainland.

      Strip Russia of its veto power and give it to the PRC. Xi can have two vetoes, as a treat.

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      1 year ago

      Because that is not Russia’s seat. It’s the Soviet Union’s seat. They left the Soviet Union in 1990. In fact, Ukraine left after them, so they have a better claim to the UN seat.

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          1 year ago

          They got the seat because they said they did, and no one challenged it:

          Boris Yeltsin, the Russian President, informed the United Nations Secretary-General that the membership of the Soviet Union in the Security Council and all other UN organs would be continued by the Russian Federation with the support of the 11 member countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

          The UN could kick them off the Security Council if they want. They are not the same country and they are not contributing to world security. This their membership on the Security Council is tenuous.

          Russia is breaking current rules that outline which wars are legal and which are not. Wars of aggression are illegal. Even Putin agrees with me. Here’s Putin’s opinion on war and the UN:

          Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, said on 19 December 2003 that “The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council’s sanction cannot be recognized as fair or justified.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

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              1 year ago

              Those are not qualifications for world leadership. Even if they were, Putin has not met his own qualifications for a legal war. Since he and his country are engaged in an illegal war, they should be removed from the Security Council.

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                  1 year ago

                  None of the other Security Council members have both problems though. You do not get to be a leader based on a technicality. You have to display leadership.

                  Russia can’t even lead their own troops in their own country. They just had unfriendly tanks outside Moscow and Putin had to run away. How can they claim international leadership?

        • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 year ago

          Good thing we already have a precedent to change what state the UN recognizes as representative of a country without going through the security council then.

      • dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org
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        1 year ago

        That argument might have made sense if it were being made in like 1992 but it’s been Russia’s seat for over 30 years