How exactly do you fight a terrorist organization who uses children as both soldiers and human shields without any sort of civilian casualties?
Probably with more nuance than bombing entire neighborhoods…
Seriously, there is absolutely no possible ethical excuse for what Israel is doing. Right now the IDF is pretty indistinguishable from the SS. Genocide is genocide and Israel has come all the way from victim to perpetrator. The irony and reality of it is making the rest of the world sick, the only question is, why isn’t it doing the same to the people of Israel?
See the problem is, you don’t know how to do it without injuring civilians, and neither does any other country fighting against terrorists using this style of warfare. The whole playbook for them is to make it impossible to fight without wholesale slaughter. Israel has chosen that option here rather than letting them continue.
They are far from the first country to do so.
The US killed around 50,000 Afghani civilians as direct retaliation for 9/11 in a bomb all the shit campaign against the Taliban. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
The US killed a few hundred thousand civilian Iraqis during that 2003 invasion, and it turns out the entire premise for the invasion was false. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
FFS, the US nuked two Japanese cities… and the public was totally onboard at the time.
The Japanese have done it themselves to China and Korea. China has done it to a bunch of different minorities now. Clearly the Germans did it. Russia has done it. The British and Spanish have done it.
Civilian populations of the offending country rarely have a problem with it, that hasn’t started until very recently in history.
So why would Israelis be sick of killing 30,000 Palestinians in response to an attack that killed over 1000 Israeli Civilians (and where they kidnapped hostages)?
You may not like this answer, but it’s still correct.
Let’s say you wiped out all the Palestinians. Do you believe that results in peace? Do you remember what motivated Osama Bin Laden? Do you think the rest of the Arab world would be at peace with Israel?
Most of them moved there during the British occupation, so I’m not really sure what you’re arguing here. The Muslim population of the region doubled between the start and end of the 25 years of British Occupation, and that wasn’t from just births.
Same with the Jewish population, which tripled over that period.
The “ancestral ties” of both groups are tenuous at best. Yes they were both there before, but most of the people living there have a grandparent or three who were born outside the region.
Palestine also had Jews pre-biblical times, around 1000 BC. There are verses about the Kingdom of the Israel in the old testament, and it’s all part of that region.
How exactly do you fight a terrorist organization who uses children as both soldiers and human shields without any sort of civilian casualties?
You realize this style of warfare that Hamas has chosen is specifically designed to lead to civilian deaths right?
They could all line up on an open area and fight Israel soldier to soldier, but they choose not to.
Probably with more nuance than bombing entire neighborhoods…
Seriously, there is absolutely no possible ethical excuse for what Israel is doing. Right now the IDF is pretty indistinguishable from the SS. Genocide is genocide and Israel has come all the way from victim to perpetrator. The irony and reality of it is making the rest of the world sick, the only question is, why isn’t it doing the same to the people of Israel?
See the problem is, you don’t know how to do it without injuring civilians, and neither does any other country fighting against terrorists using this style of warfare. The whole playbook for them is to make it impossible to fight without wholesale slaughter. Israel has chosen that option here rather than letting them continue.
They are far from the first country to do so.
The US killed around 50,000 Afghani civilians as direct retaliation for 9/11 in a bomb all the shit campaign against the Taliban. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
The US killed a few hundred thousand civilian Iraqis during that 2003 invasion, and it turns out the entire premise for the invasion was false. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
FFS, the US nuked two Japanese cities… and the public was totally onboard at the time.
The Japanese have done it themselves to China and Korea. China has done it to a bunch of different minorities now. Clearly the Germans did it. Russia has done it. The British and Spanish have done it.
Civilian populations of the offending country rarely have a problem with it, that hasn’t started until very recently in history.
So why would Israelis be sick of killing 30,000 Palestinians in response to an attack that killed over 1000 Israeli Civilians (and where they kidnapped hostages)?
You may not like this answer, but it’s still correct.
Fucking diplomacy.
Israel is being like a five year old… Learn to use your words, you’ll get better outcomes.
The only way out is diplomatic. They will not bomb their way to peace
You don’t. There is no path the peace for Israel through genocide.
If there’s nobody left to fight you that’s technically peace.
Let’s say you wiped out all the Palestinians. Do you believe that results in peace? Do you remember what motivated Osama Bin Laden? Do you think the rest of the Arab world would be at peace with Israel?
The rest of the arab world started the fight with Israel. Five countries invaded them the day after the British protectorate left.
So no, there won’t be peace. Religion is a hell of a drug.
That’s a very one sided view of history. If you can’t see that occupied people have legitimate grievances then there’s just no point in talking.
Plenty of situations that “could never change” actually did. The past is filled with impossible situations consigned to the dustbin of history.
Most of them moved there during the British occupation, so I’m not really sure what you’re arguing here. The Muslim population of the region doubled between the start and end of the 25 years of British Occupation, and that wasn’t from just births.
Same with the Jewish population, which tripled over that period.
The “ancestral ties” of both groups are tenuous at best. Yes they were both there before, but most of the people living there have a grandparent or three who were born outside the region.
Palestine was Arabic before the British (part of the Ottoman empire)
Palestine also had Jews pre-biblical times, around 1000 BC. There are verses about the Kingdom of the Israel in the old testament, and it’s all part of that region.