• IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    8 hours ago

    Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons really says it all. The US is planning to let Netanyahu bomb everything he wants. When they strike back in kind the US will use it as a pretense send in troops to start a war with Iran.

    A smart move by Netanyahu. He knows he needs to get rid of Iran or they will outpace Israel. Now that Israel fully controls America this is the time to start their war with Iran with impunity.

  • Marleyinoc@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    33
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 hours ago

    The companies making military weapons and gear for Israel can be found here according to AFSC.

    The US has committed grants to Israel to buy weapons through 2028. It’s benefiting the above corporations. While not all US based, it still is just another example of our corporate overlords fiucking the world over for profits).

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      8 hours ago

      Is there somewhere they are separated by country? Would be helpful to people who want to know what they should demonstrate against in their country.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      38
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      9 hours ago

      And why not? He has virtually unlimited U.S. weapons as well as bi-partisan support from U.S. politicians. It’s as though we’re just setting our attack dog loose on everyone.

      It’s fucking astonishing that we have any relationship with Israel at all these days. The U.S. gets absolutely nothing out of this one-sided relationship.

      Israel offers us:

      -No unique strategic military position (we have that area covered already).

      -No high-value industrial benefits (no natural resources or unique trade).

      -No military arsenal or manpower support (their arsenal comes from us and their personnel is quite limited).

      It’s time to let them make friends with their neighbors on their own. They don’t need us to do that and we sure as fuck don’t need them.

      • mojo_raisin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        30 minutes ago

        Unfortunately, as long as we leave political offices to be filled by the worst of us this will continue. Voting is only half the battle.

      • Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        2 hours ago

        Hacking and Blackmail are Israeli strengths. The two most common theories I hear are that that elected officials are impressed with the Israeli hacking capabilities and rather keep them on our side, or they are actively exploiting those capabilities to bend politicians to their will. Seeing how Israel operates in public with innocent civilians it seems rather obvious our predicament.

      • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 hours ago

        Main thing the US gets from Israel is Market Capital Export.

        Israel accounts for what, like 30-40% of all recent American acquired startups?

        • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 hours ago

          Do you have a source for this?

          My understanding is the primary trade between the U.S and Israel is diamonds. We each export over $1B worth of diamonds and also each import over $1B worth of diamonds between one another. In the past year, the U.S. imported about half a billion dollars more from Israel than it exported to Israel (again mostly diamonds in both directions).

          The diamond trade between our countries does not justify our participation in unnecessary wars (or genocides) in my opinion. It seems unlikely to be the reason we are so committed to this relationship. I think AIPAC’s financial involvement in our elections represents a much bigger reason we support Israel.

      • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        18
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        8 hours ago

        The US is a parent sitting and watching its problem child beat the shit out of the other children in the playpark. Other concerned parents keep asking the US to do something, to which they shrug and say “kids will be kids, what can you do” while handing their child a knuckleduster.

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    9 hours ago

    Reagab stopped them from doing this exact same thing 40 years ago. Anyone still gonna say this administration isn’t more Zionist than usual?

  • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    73
    ·
    14 hours ago

    Residential buildings that Hezbollah intentionally set up a headquarters in the basement of.

    Thats already a war crime by Hezbollah.

    • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      66
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      13 hours ago

      Firstly, being the second one to commit a war crime does not make the act of doing so any less heinous.

      Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you’re basing that on, or is it just Israel’s word you’re taking? Because we know for a fact that Israel bombed civilians, and as far as I’ve seen, it’s just hearsay that they were targeting actual Hezbollah members. On the other hand, we do know for fact that they’ve used this justification falsely before, so I’m disinclined to believe anything they say, frankly.

      • gnutrino@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        9 hours ago

        Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you’re basing that on, or is it just Israel’s word you’re taking?

        I mean, high ranking Hezbollah members do keep dying in these strikes, possibly including Nasrallah in this latest one. Sure Israel are still dicks for accepting the levels of civilian casualties that come along with it but the strikes do seem to be hitting actual targets.

        • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          48 minutes ago

          The targets (so far):

          Israel killed more than 700 people, including 50 children and 94 women, in air strikes it conducted across Lebanon since September 23.

          At least 1,835 Lebanese people were wounded in the attacks, the country’s Ministry of Public Health said.

          In addition to the entire genocide still going on in Gaza and ramping up in the West Bank

      • czech@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        41
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        13 hours ago

        You want evidence?? Are you some kind of antisemite?? /s

      • ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        5 hours ago

        Being detered by human shields means that more human shields are used. It’s the same logic as refusing to pay ransom for kidnappers. The opposite would just encourage more kidnappings.

      • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        47
        ·
        12 hours ago

        It’s literally terrorist 101 to use human shields. This tactic has been used by every insurgency in the last hundred years.

        It’s why it was added as a war crime.

        As for the second one to commit a war crime. If you follow the rules, but your enemy doesn’t, you will lose. This is the international equivalent of the bunch buggy no punch back bullshit that let’s people hit you with no retaliation.

        • Doorbook@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          42
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          12 hours ago

          Repeating the same lies “human shields” and “terrorist” doesn’t make it true.

          • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            30 minutes ago

            The leader of Hezbollah was confirmed dead in the attack, so clearly they were using human shields… They have been attacking Israel from a foreign country, and are not part of that countries military, which makes them terrorists.

            You don’t like the truth, but lying about it doesnt change the facts of the matter.

    • ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      5 hours ago

      That’s what so many are unwilling to aknowledge. Civilian deaths are only issue for the western nations. Not to these extremists. Being martyred lands them into heaven. Not only is this a non-issue for them but it’s actually a good thing. They get to heaven and western media will slam Israel for it. Win-win.

    • frostmore@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      23
      ·
      edit-2
      6 hours ago

      your comment will be downvoted coz lemmy is full of left wingers who prefers to instill their lame ass rhetorics than see the fact that it was hamas and their asswipe cronies that handed israel the reason on a silver platter.

      lets not forget,these hamas terrorist supporters had no qualms using civilians as shields,israel just decided to even the playong field.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 hours ago

        Stop pushing this BS to justify Israel’s Genocide. On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:

        Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

        Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds

        • frostmore@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          2 hours ago

          oh you again…blah blah blah, israel bad hamas good.

          go outside and touch some grass.

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 hours ago

            No surprise you deflect and lie about my position. I’m an advocate for equal rights. Take your own advice and recognize that the hundreds of thousands dead at the hands of Israel are human beings just like you and me.

            Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Israel has been the only one to reject the UN Resolution 3-Stage Permanent Ceasefire put forth by the US.

            Quote

            During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.

            Before that, both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

            Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing

            Settlements

            Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

            This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

            The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

            Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

            While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

            The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

            State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.

            The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

            One or Two State Solution

            The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

            • Avi Shlaim

            How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

            ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

            One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

            Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza.

            In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

            • frostmore@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              43 minutes ago

              nah,you are a hamas shill,engaging you and your propaganda wastes my time.

              keep up the name calling,still not convinced of anything you have to write or say.

        • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          5 hours ago

          It’s not about winning the fight, it’s about ensuring they are never considered a viable target again.

        • frostmore@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 hours ago

          israel lost the plot,that much is certain.

          as of now,hamas handed israel the golden key and israel will not hesitate to use it to the fullest.

          genocide or not,until hamas is exterminated,israel will not face any consequences for their actions.

          • ryry1985@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 hour ago

            At what point should they have consequences? They can’t keep bombing civilians without consequence

            • frostmore@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              42 minutes ago

              no idea really but i reckon the sooner the hamas cockroaches die,the sooner those responsible are held accountable.