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    Glocks are among the most popular handguns, period. That’s because they work, and they work consistently, even with poor maintenance and cheap ammunition.

    If you try running your expensive Staccato 2011 without cleaning it every few hundred rounds, you’re going to be guaranteed to have jams. A Glock? You can get about 3000 rounds at a range between cleaning.

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    Well that and they’re inexpensive, reliable, and a really good all around gun.

    I’m not sure what the point of the article is, other than “black gun scary”

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      Have you read the article? The difference is how Glocks can easily adapted to fire full auto with an accessory.

      Can others be adapted to full auto? Probably. But the adapters aren’t as easilyinstalled and commonly available.

      By being a super popular gun for the reasons you mention and by being a relatively simple gun certainly helped it become the host of choice for such a modification.

      One model of Glock being full auto from the factory probably set the blueprint for the illegal mod.

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        But the adapters aren’t as easilyinstalled and commonly available.

        Guess what the most popular and easily available mods are for cars? The ones for the most popular cheap and reliable cars!

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        It is surprisingly difficult to make any handgun fire full auto controllably.

        Not the Glock, the irony is that their safety mechanisms provide a brilliant exploit for full auto conversion. No other striker fired handgun is anywhere near as easy. The 18C was in no way a guide for conversion because the mechanisms of operation are entirely different and far more complex, the conversions are brilliant in their simplicity.

        The second easiest one is the 1911, but you need to modify the frame and slide and make some fairly precise parts that have to be hand fitted to each gun. You can make a 1911 uncontrolled full auto, as some find out by accident when they modify the gun for legal reasons.

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        Have you ever heard of a Shoestring Machine gun? A little creativity goes a long ways and a Glock is nothing special aside from being an excellent self defense weapon.

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        I did. It’s a bit clickbaity.

        Yes Glock is a super popular gun.

        Yes it’s possible to make them full auto.

        Then the throw in some weaseling : turning up increasingly, police think it was used this one time, this anti-gun commission says. Spraying bullets.

        Glock has a reputation for quality, they’re cheap and reliable, not having a safety adds nuance of danger for those idolizing them.

        I’m sure there are some people using full auto Glocks, but they’re extremely rare. It’s not this new impending threat. They could have easily done the article detailing the full auto device or given real numbers of use. They’re in it for the clicks.

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            They have a trigger safety. It looks almost like a tiny trigger within the trigger. Essentially means that it will only fire if you pull the trigger. It makes sense for trained personnel since they won’t be pulling the trigger unless they intend to fire and mistakenly leaving a safety on when you need to shoot can get you killed. Still seems very sketchy to me even though I understand that logically, it’s just as safe.

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            I’ll just add most (all?) revolvers have no manual safety other than a heavier and long double action pull on the trigger.

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            The safety is integrated into the trigger, so if you keep your finger off the trigger then the gun is supposedly in safety mode.

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            Glocks do have a safety, but legally speaking, guns don’t actually need a safety. They usually have one since it makes things a lot safer for the guy buying it. In fact, I can’t think of a gun that doesn’t have some form of a safety, outside of some reproduction muskets and other black powder guns. But it’s not legally required.

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              The recent Sig P 320 chosen by the US Army has variants with no manual safety and doesn’t have the trigger safety.

              It still has internal safeties but there have been issues with accidental discharges with the earlier productions.

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                IIRC, those discharge were because the default trigger was heavy, as in its mass not trigger pull, and, if you dropped it at a certain angle, the inertia of the trigger would pull the trigger. The fix was Sig doing a free upgrade to a lighter trigger that wouldn’t have a much mass.

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            I believe they are integrated into the handle and trigger. It’s not a switch that you turn on and off, just if you hold the gun in the proper way your are pressing in the safeties.

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            thanks for the good responses. i wonder if every gun had fingerprint sensor locks, would that help fix things? or just take away our rights?

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              Adding a bunch of electrical complexity to a mechanical process would make things worse for everyone.

              People who need it to work reliably (police, military, etc.) would be hindered by the possibility of malfunctioning fingerprint readers and they couldn’t wear gloves. They would probably disable the electronic part.

              A malicious person would just disable the electronic part. It is not hard to remove electronic safeties.

              So the only people the fingerprint locks would apply to are people who don’t really need the extra complexity and they are the ones who will suffer from malfunctions. The glock double trigger thing and regular safeties are reliable and safe already,.

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        It’s a bit chicken and the egg. It’s a super popular handgun so therefore the accessories get made for it.

        If another gun was as popular, you’d likely see the people who made this accessory make one for that gun instead.

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        Who cares “full auto” neither increases the lethality or capacity for criminal activity of a firearm.

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          There’s definitely a lot of fear mongering and ignorance about firearms out there but full auto most definitely increases lethality both in terms of a single target and in terms of hitting unintended bystanders.

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            That’s a skill issue. One bullet one dead is the goal. Real life isn’t John wick. Your just as dead if done properly.

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              You say that life isn’t a movie. Then you say that people who need full auto have a “skill issue”? Christ dude, life isn’t CSGO either. You’re right that many shooters probably aren’t that skilled, but the takeaway here is that makes full auto more lethal in their hands, not that they need to git gud.

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                Nah you ain’t understanding, maybe if Americans had to be trained before they are given a firearm. You know like before they get to drive a car or fly a plane. But your wrong, lethal is binary you either are dead or not dead. You are never more dead than dead. Try to argue with logic and not your heart homie. If a gun has 30 bullets the maximum amount of lethality is 30. Full auto or not. It doesn’t get more dangerous because you are a bad shot. There is not multi round bonus lol.

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                  The point of full auto is to improve hit probability, not increase lethality. There absolutely is a multiround bonus, and 3rnd burst used by every major military for this exact reason.