cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
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Obligatory, fuck Spez
“Not all people defending their country are nice people”
“It’s almost a genocide, but not quite, so it’s all good”
Priceless. Do you think Russia would have had moral problems arming questionable militia in the first place? Because at least the USA did, initially.
Your views seem to coincide with Russian propaganda.
You’re pro-Russian and think Russia was not wrong to break international law by invading a sovereign nation. I would bet.
This strikes me as much of the root of the problem here, of why immature and uneducated people are drawn to fascism. You all treat it like team sports.
You really can’t even imagine opposing Russia while also opposing Nazis. Or you’re just a Nazi looking to groom people into the ideology with Russiaphobia.
I’m a Finnish person with detailed understanding of Russia.
We literally fought Nazis and Russia, both.
I constantly criticise the US for it’s growing fascism. I also heavily criticise my own country for its authoritarian tendencies. See unlike you, I don’t have a preferred flavour when it comes to injustice. I’m disgusted by it all.
So your attempt at generalising is really ironic here. You are literally doing what you blame “others” for doing “treating it like team sports”. But you can’t accept a single criticism of Russia. And would NEVER admit to the WELL DOCUMENTED war crimes they’ve pulled during their ILLEGAL INVASION of a sovereign country with some ridiculous excuse of “we are invading them to save them from Nazism and install our dear leader”.
“ideology of Russiaphobia”
First of, it’s “russophobia”. Secondly, no, pointing out facts about Russia, like their endless amount of war crimes isn’t any sort of discrimination, вахтера.
I’ve not defended Russia once. I’m attacking Nazis, and you’ve taken extreme offense to it. Which really undermines your comment. If you’re actually anti-Nazi, stop defending them.
You’re basically saying that anyone who criticises Russian war crimes is a Nazi. And then when I ignore your childish “he’s a Nazi” bullshit, you say that’s evidence I’m a nazi.
You can’t control your projection.
I know you won’t answer this, but I’m gonna do it so that other’s see too; do you accept that Russia has committed loads of documented crimes against humanity in their illegal invasion of a sovereign country?
If you’re actually “attacking Nazism”, then you know we fight nazism, because it’s fascism. We fight fascism because cruel totalitarian regimes shouldn’t exist and everyone should be able to live safely and have their human rights respected. If that is so, then you must oppose the Russian government, as it’s clearly a totalitarian regime with a despotic leader. So, do you oppose Putin and his government’s endless crimes against humanity?
Prohibited weapons. Abduction and deportation. Attacks on civilians. Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property. Attacks on hospitals and medical facilities. Destruction of energy infrastructure. Destruction and theft of cultural heritage. Torture of civilians. Use of human shields. Sexual violence. Looting. Forced conscription. Mistreatment of prisoners of war. Genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Never once said criticizing Russia makes someone a Nazi. And I’ve criticized Russia multiple times, and acknowledged their war crimes.
You’re making a pathetic attempt at DARVO, and projecting. You’re accusing anyone who criticizes Nazis of being pro-Russia. The more you come to the defense of Nazis, the worse it’s looking for you.
You NATO bots serve fascism.
I never once SAID you said that. I said “basically saying”, which isn’t saying, is it? It’s me saying that you’re implying it.
I’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve defended no-one who does anything wrong nor have I ignored criticising anyone or taken any sides. Like I explicitly already said, since the start of your “you seem like a Nazi for opposing Russia” childish garbage, I am Finnish, and in the Finnish reserves. We LITERALLY fought Nazis and Russians. I mention it, because you started this whole shit with such as asinine statement like “you can’t even imagine fighting Nazism and Russia can you”. My family literally has. Yours hasn’t, I would bet.
Like I said, you didn’t answer. You PRETEND like you’ve criticised Russia and say you’ve acknowledged the war crimes, but you actively avoid doing that. You didn’t answer those crimes either.
You are a perpetrator of dezinformatsiya, consciously or not, so this is your “darvo”
Do you agree that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and has perpetrated all those crimes I listed?
“deny, attack, and reverse victim & offender”
I noted that Russia perpetrates warcrimes. You instantly ignored that and told me I must be a Nazi and that I couldn’t even imagine fighting Nazism (since I’m against Russia). Then you make yourself out to be the victim, as if you’ve done nothing wrong. Like I said, you simply can’t control your projection. It’s hilarious.
No, not everyone who criticises Nazism is pro-Russia. Just the pro-Russian shills who aren’t actually opposed to fascism, but actually crave the authoritarian cum from Putler’s tiny dick.
You know who else was a vegetarian? Hitler.
Views stand of their own merits irrespective of such coincidences.
Yea lets.
He’s saying Ukraine is Nazi, pretty directly, to justify Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Pretty different from saying someone is Hitler because they’re vegetarian. So different in fact one might be inclined to think you weren’t actually making an argument in good faith, but strawmanning mine.