“This actually caused some annoyance among law enforcement officials who believed they had suspects’ phones stored in a readable state, only to find they were rebooting and becoming harder to access due to this feature.”
I love it.
I would not be surprised if google is complicit in this
Yes, this was the whole goal. Apple is also doing this already because of this
Good security feature but only for the phone in your pocket. The old one used as a camera, homeassistant screen, sms to email forwarder, ssh server, will stop being useful.
That’s why GrapheneOS had this feature for a long time, but with the ability to disable it. It also allows you to set the time period after which the reboot is initiated yourself. You can go as low as 10 minutes, or as high as 72 hours.
People were using old hardware instead of buying new.
Can’t have that.
I hope there will be a way to turn that off, but I’m afraid there won’t.
On the 9to5Google article it says
Update 4/16: Google has updated the changelog entry to add that auto-reboot is “optional” when it comes in the “future.” This addresses some concern from people who run continuous Android devices, with tablets somewhat fitting into that.
Website: Skynet is dooming the world tomorrow!
Website: Update: You can just tell it not to doom the world if you don’t want it. Nothing more to see here. Move on.
Typical.
The old one isn’t getting any updates and won’t see this change.
The shiny one you have will be old in a few years
You dont install updates on your servers?
I had this problem when Apple introduced this feature a year or so ago. I wish Apple had a way to disable it, but such is apple. Now I unlock a phone that lives on my dresser every few days.
Like Apple’s devices, Android phones are most secure when they’ve been freshly rebooted. In this “Before First Unlock” (BFU) state, biometrics and location-based unlocking won’t work. The only way to access the device is to use the passcode or PIN. Additionally, all the data stored on the phone is encrypted in the BFU state, making retrieval and snooping much more difficult, even for law enforcement groups that have access to advanced data recovery tools.
That’s good, if I don’t unlock my phone for 3 days, either the phone is lost or I’m dead.
I like it but, why so long? If I haven’t unlocked my phone in 24 hours I’m either dead or hospitalized, 3 days seems super extreme.
Especially since so many phones won’t make it 72 hours without a charge, even if sitting unused.
If the screen is off, idk wtd background apps you’re running that would drain so much…
3 days seems like a good “default” but I agree I’d definitely like the option to make it shorter.
3 days in my opinion is too long imo for a default, if the entire point of it is to increase the security, the default gives 3 days worth of time for an entity to obtain a way to access it via some form of exploit or other means. That’s far long enough for most shipping options to send the device elsewhere that may have the appropriate tech to do so.
A 24h limit would significantly decrease the margin for exploitation. I agree the setting should have multiple time intervals though, I just think 3 days is way too long for the purpose of the setting. It seems like a “we wanna do something that sounds good, but won’t rock the boat for the powers that be”
Because I want my alarm clock to actually work.
or maybe, I have replaced it with a newer phone, and repurposed it as some sort of lightweight server or something. So it doesn’t get unlocked anymore, ever
If that’s the case hopefully there will be a setting to disable the feature as a whole as every 3 days would be annoying for a server,
There is, someone else commented with the actual quote
honestly I reckon 12 hours would be good enough I only really sleep 6-7 hours and I’ll check my phone within half hour at most of waking up usually straight away and I need to watch something relaxing before sleeping so it’ll have been used just before I slept so I think 12 hours would be fine and on the super rare maybe I’m awake a super long time for reasons and sleep 12 hours ok the consequence is I have to unlock my phone with a pin instead of my finger and do it twice cause sim lock not that big a deal hell I think 10 hours would be too extreme and would trigger a bit even for me but I reckon it wouldn’t that often
If only my phone battery lasts that long. LOL
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You want to do this even with custom roms.
Having your phone automatically go into the BFU state ensures that there’s only a small window for a thief to extract data from your phone.
If you ever think your phone is about to be stolen or seized you want to power it off for this exact reason.
They’re saying custom ROMs like Grapheneos have had this for a long time already.
I read it as “This is a silly Android thing that I don’t have to deal with because I use custom roms”.
I use Graphene and use this feature, but I can understand why it would seem silly to some people and I can think of use cases where you wouldn’t want it to happen (like using your phone as a security device with Haven (https://github.com/guardianproject/haven)) installed.
Most Android users don’t understand the BFU/AFU states and the security implications, it is good that default android is including a sane security default that’ll be pushed out to the standard Android users.
Lineage as well, mine reboots at 4am every day
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It is not enough to lock the phone.
An advanced attacker that has access to forensic imaging tools can pull data off of your phone as long as it has been unlocked the first time after boot.
There are some models and some OSs (like Graphene on the newest Pixels) that are safe, for the time being, in AFU mode. You still want to power the phone off if you have the chance.
In your friend’s situation, his phone can be powered, isolated from RF to prevent remote wiping and kept in a lock state in order to preserve the keys in memory until an exploit is found for that model. If the OS automatically reboots after 3 days, it prevents this kind of attack.
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It makes sense for a number of reasons. You could be being detained or your device could be sitting in lost and found.
Stock LineageOS doesn’t seem to have that feature
@bobs_monkey@lemm.ee says it does
They say their device restarts at 4 am but they don’t seem to show how to set it up. On my Note 10 I don’t seem to have this feature with stock LineageOS, maybe they’re running a modified version of it, like Resurrection Remix
i think samsungs already do this. as long as i can turn it off if i ever need to.
a charging limit would also be nice.
Pixels can be configured to limit charging to 80% these days.
I’ve started using it and the difference between using 80% and 100% on a daily basis is negligible, I rarely if ever let my device go below about 35% anyway. So this change is basically free battery life for the device
Samsung have a setting to set the charger to only charge to a certain amount over night
So if you plug it in at 1800 at 0230 or whatever it won’t be charging until just it calculates that it will be full charged when you wake up
The latest Google update will make your phone more secure if you don’t touch it…
Fuck entirely off. The last time my phone surprised me with an update, it was ads on my goddamn lock screen.
Google itself as of this moment never did put adds on a lock screen, it is the manufacturer or third party apps who can do it. Some Realme and Xiaomi phones do it afaik and probably some other brands.
Oh sure, Google only fucks with how texting works, whether my car GPS cooperates, what the entire UI looks like…
I know this specific abuse was not Google’s fault specifically. But it’s the same god damn thing. Nobody asked me if I wanted that. They just shoved it onto the machine I paid to own and pay to use, like it’s not mine enough to deserve respect, let alone control.
What brand is your phone?
It’s Metro’s fault.
I fucking hate that three separate skeezebag companies have free reign to insert software on my extremely personal wireless pocket computer.
Shouldn’t matter. Reinstall the OS of every device you buy before you provision it…
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Those who forego freedoms for security end up with neither.
Oh yea, the freedom of
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not rebooting my phone.
Give em an inch…
Please explain to me how this could be the first step towards something sinister. I absolutely don’t see it.
Day 1: Phone reboots automatically.
Day 4: Obama trans bathroom sex.
Day 10: Mandatory Gay Islam.
I wish
It is my phone.
I don’t want my kids playing with it.
I don’t want the government snooping on it.
I don’t want the CEO of Apple or google making any changes to my property without my consent.
Yet my kids play on my phone despite my objections.
The government snoops
And Tim Cook and google want to remind us it is THEIR PHONE
Please answer my question.
Sounds like you’re just salty you’re incapable of raising your children
You sound like my wife. Thanks
He disappoints his wife too!
/s?
freedom lol
If they’re free to crash our economy
Can I be free to crash MY PHONE?
