No major news organisation has been given the opportunity to verify this footage. As such it should be treated sceptically until verified independently. The IDF have already been caught editing and altering video evidence, as demonstrated by the BBC.
But lets say it is unedited and is verified. What does it show? It shows Hamas operatives taking two injured hostages into a hospital. That’s it. The IDF says "These findings prove that the Hamas terror organization used Shifa Hospital on the day of the massacre itself as terror infrastructure,”
Well, no, it doesn’t. It shows that some Hamas terrorists used the hospital…as a hospital e.g. they took injured hostages into it. Just because terrorists make use of a location’s facilities doesn’t necessarily mean there was an extensive command post in or under the location.
The IDF have yet to demonstrate or provide anything credible to back up their claim the hospital was an extensive command post.
“The latest video is not yet the evidence that’s been promised of the sort of vast and intricate operation depicted in a computer simulation which the IDF previously released showing what it believes any Hamas base underground at al-Shifa could look like.”
Well that ignores that they passed five other hospitals to get to this one. Why? Because they own the place.
Where’s that information? Because it’s not in the link you posted.
And do all those other hospitals offer identical and appropriate services? Because in my local area there are three hospitals, all offering differing types of services, meaning that depending on what I needed treatment for I would have to drive reasonably close to two of them, including emergency care.
This feels like a real stretch - that map you linked to - the straight line goes near (ish) two other hospitals, not five for example. Maybe the hostages didn’t require hospital treatment until they were in that area? Who knows? Your assigning meaning to actions based solely on your desire for it to be true, not on actual evidence.
But OK, lets say you’re right and they ignored all the other hospitals because their goal was that area in particular - how does that equate to that hospital being a major and extensive command post when literally nothing that’s been presented as evidence by the IDF demonstrates that opinion? Surely if it was then there’d be a lot more than a few random terrorists on those stills.
Let me put it another way - if three or four Hamas terrorists took thirsty hostages to a Starbucks, would you see that as definitive proof that that Starbucks is, or is on top of, an extensive Hamas command post?
At some point you’re going to need actual evidence, independently verified. Not just unexplained, unverified crap that could mean anything.
And do all those other hospitals offer identical and appropriate services?akel
it seems funny that you would spend so much keyboard time on something so feeble.
You are a Hamas terrorist and have just spent your leisurely hours raping and murdering. You have a hostage gut shot. Do you…
1 take them to the nearest medical facility for treatment because you care
2 take them to your HQ
Please think.
Good grief, do you really not understand that some hospitals offer different types of treatment to others???
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
But lets (once more) give you the benefit of the doubt and say all those hospitals are the same size and offer the exact treatment that that one does…how does that establish that hospital as a major command centre for Hamas? That’s the IDF’s rationale for attacking that hospital after all.
Look, I am not saying that hospital is a Hamas free zone, that no one form Hamas has ever been in it. I’m not even saying that it isn’t Hamas’ favoured hospital because of it’s location or maybe there are a few Hamas-friendly people on staff there. I mean, there is zero evidence for any of that but it’s a possibility, right? It’s also a possibility that you and the IDF are absolutely correct and it really is a major command centre for Hamas.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
Sigh…
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards. Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
So I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes. I see
Who wants to open the door?
https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1726326785325854759?t=eCVH0uNFwWT8zPt74IGTSg&s=19
Have you ever seen soldiers in rat holes? Tip number one, you have night vision use it, second don’t run, third don’t run with a flashlight down a hall you can’t see down.
It seems weak evidence.
Pigs. Still not a reason to bomb hospitals. Wait if they bomb the hospital they kill the hostages.
Nobody bombed the hospital itself.
According to the un there were more than 130 attacks on healthcare services by isreal in gaza…
First thing is, we’ve just witnessed how truthful they are.
Does this mean the hospital was complicit in the abduction of Israeli hostages from October 7th? If this is true, my god some people have some questions to answer.
Hospital administrators don’t get to say “no” to Hamas.
I bel8eve the WHO runs the hospital. The WHO is part of the UN. Are we going to expect the UN to take hostages now?
The people on the ground at the hospital did not take hostages. Hamas did, and uses the hospital as a base. No one involved in the running of the hospital gets a say in what Hamas does.
They are both the government and murderous terrorists, so whatever they wanna do, they’re gonna do
I can imagine that some of the complicity started with benign motives. You’re an NGO wanting to do good things for the people of Gaza? You learn and obey Hamas rules. But since you don’t want to admit that you are obeying Hamas rules - you get drawn into endorsing Hamas lies. Nonetheless, by not saying anything about the hostages for a month you are complicate in their capture and your organization is as well.
Then there are those that doubt the veracity of Israeli and US Intelligence saying that the hospital was a control point. Of course it was, and those that watched Hamas walk into the door knew it.
If a terrorist is holding hostages near you and the terrorist says if you tell anyone about it they’ll kill you, or the hostages, then you are also being held hostage, you can just move around more than the other hostages.
Sure fear can play a role, but there was more than compliance to Hamas. They told the press, some of who knew better, that they never seen Hamas or hostages. They took an active role.
Quite easy to criticize when you don’t have a gun against your own or others head. Put yourself in someone’s shoe before you criticize them.
Yes, let’s attack the ONLY humanitarian agency that tries to do some good so their shitty opinions of Israel’s behaviour towards Palestinian civilians, patients, journalists and aid workers isn’t so highlighted in the world press anymore.
God, how stupid do you think people are?
Pretty damn stupid and this post proves it.
You know, the other day I was in the hospital and there was a visibly pregnant woman outside who was smoking. I went up to the front desk and demanded to know why the hospital was condoning that behavior. The person at the desk reacted in complete confusion. So I continued on, asking why the multinational conglomerate that owned the hospital was requiring pregnant mothers to smoke. As I was being escorted out by security, the smoking woman was gone, but they all knew who I was talking about.
Oh shut up with your insinuations. If a guy with a gun tells you to treat someone, you do it. As if Palestinians have gotten another choice by Israeli governance. You act as if these people were free before the attacks lol. As if they were living in the land of milk and honey, as if their opinions mattered…
Oh you almost got there…it is the Israelis fault that Hamas was using the hospital as cover and the doctors went along with it, right?
