• Steve@lemmy.today
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    9 months ago

    Great! But, let’s remember this is Facebook after all, so… 🤷‍♂️

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        9 months ago

        Moxie helped WhatsApp integrate the Signal protocol for e2ee, but I dont trust thatt they never implemented any backdoors in their protocol after Moxie was done helping them.

        IMO, just use Signal anyways. Fuck Meta

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            9 months ago

            Do you believe everything you hear a company say who has proven themselves to be untrustworthy?

            End to end doesn’t necessarily mean that the middle can’t read it, it just means strangers listening can’t read it. WhatsApp isn’t open source, and auditing that encryption on a binary level would prove difficult.

            As we have seen, companies can also bow to the wills of governments, and if enough pressure is applied they often agree to backdoors.

            If it’s not open source, it’s a scam.

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              End to end doesn’t necessarily mean that the middle can’t read it, it just means strangers listening can’t read it.

              I thought it meant nobody between the two ends can read it.

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                End->(public network)->WhatsApp->(public network)->End

                So, no stranger can read it.

                The key word is stranger. WhatsApp made the encryption you’re using and could (and I’m sure does) have the ability to decrypt it.

                True end to end is where you and your partner have keys and you both encrypt on the client side, and don’t tell the middle man. That way no malicious intent from the server could ever decrypt the actual message.

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                  9 months ago

                  True end to end is where you and your partner have keys and you both encrypt on the client side, and don’t tell the middle man. That way no malicious intent from the server could ever decrypt the actual message.

                  That’s how the Signal protocol they’re using is working

  • ElectroVagrant@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 months ago

    Personally I’m about as willing to trust this as WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption, given Meta/Facebook’s involvement, but thought it was worth keeping folks here apprised of the situation in the corporate space.

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      Has WhatsApp’s encryption ever been shown to not be trustworthy?

      Facebook has had to provide law enforcement with FB Messenger texts before after being served a warrant. Are you saying this has also happened with WhatsApp, even though that should be impossible? That’s a pretty big claim, so I’d love to see your evidence.

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        To my knowledge, it hasn’t, but that’s not the main point of my comment so much as expressing my distrust of the parent company. In that respect, no, I’m not aiming to make a claim that Meta/Facebook have had to disclose messages from WhatsApp to law enforcement and essentially undermine its end-to-end-encryption.

        Nevertheless, I think it’s reasonable and fair to be suspicious of Meta/Facebook given its history of questionable actions concerning people’s data. They’re in the business of using people’s data for marketing/advertising purposes, not safeguarding it, after all.

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          So, no evidence. Gotcha.

          For WhatsApp, given how much noise the UK law enforcement has been making about trying to ban encryption, I’m inclined to believe it actually is working. I’m sure Facebook does some metadata analysis and that does feed back into their advertising profiles, but that’s a different thing from being able to turn over actual message content that’s supposedly been encrypted over to law enforcement.

          But hey, if you do find actual evidence, I’m all ears.

          • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I’m not the person you responded to, so I made no claims that need any evidence.

            I just love shitting on fucking rubbish Facebook and will do so online at any point possible.

            Fuck yo evidence and fuck yo Facebook

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              Most people don’t so openly state that they don’t care about facts or evidence and form their beliefs primarily from vibes, so thanks for at least being upfront about it.

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            The evidence we have is the historic behaviour of Facefuck and Zuckerfuck.

            Fuck anything connected to this asshole.

            They could easily scan your messages via the app before encrypting.

            Being closed source we have no way to examine this.

            But yea, keep on trusting an org that has repeatedly demonstrated they’re untrustworthy.

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    Is it going to be like Whatsapp end-to-end encryption where they just rolled out a 4-digit pincode for “backups” on their servers as the third end?

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      It sounds like it, although it looks like it’s a 6-digit pin instead from the image in the article.

      There’s also this additional info directly from Facebook’s blog post about all this:

      When your chats are upgraded, you will be prompted to set up a recovery method, such as a PIN, so you can restore your messages if you lose, change or add a device.

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    9 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Meta is rolling out end-to-end encryption for one-on-one chats and calls on Messenger, finally fulfilling a promise that’s been in the works for quite awhile.

    “Our engineers, cryptographers, designers, policy experts and product managers have worked tirelessly to rebuild Messenger features from the ground up.”

    According to Crisan, you won’t sacrifice Messenger features when using encrypted chats, so you’ll still be able to use things like themes and custom reactions.

    “I believe the future of communication will increasingly shift to private, encrypted services where people can be confident what they say to each other stays secure and their messages and content won’t stick around forever,” he wrote in a Facebook post.

    Last year, the company drew headlines when a 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother faced criminal charges for performing an illegal abortion after police obtained their Messenger chat history.

    Anti-encryption advocates say that the technology makes it harder to find bad actors on messaging apps like WhatsApp, which is already encrypted by default.


    The original article contains 378 words, the summary contains 164 words. Saved 57%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!