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    I, from the UK, once had a ‘conversation’ about gun control with an American on Reddit. What brought this about was the day before a 9 year old girl was killed by a stray bullet from a drive-by. One moment she was in her bedroom doing some homework, and the next she was dead.

    After a lot of back and forth with him getting more flummoxed and aggressive he then said something like “If she was outside playing like a normal kid then she wouldn’t have been killed.”
    Yep, he blamed her.

    That was the time I realised it was a waste of everything talking about it.

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      people who argue that their right to guns is more important than a persons right to life is inherently moronic, and shouldn’t be listened to.

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      One thing I’ve learned is that, if you write a comment with reasonable
      balance of views and still get attacks, the posters are people without proper trainings on critical debates.

      In case of the gun ban, it’s even worse because most people never lived in the rest of the world.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

      Are guns legal in: El Salvador, Venezuela, Eswatini, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, and Columbia?

      All of those nations have higher firearm death rates than the US.

      If guns are illegal in any of the nations with higher firearm death rates than the US, then can you acknowledge that banning guns is not the only issue? Maybe culture has something to do with it?

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        you just named countries well known for organized crime and corrupt government officials.

        I don’t think it is the same

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          then can you acknowledge that banning guns is not the only issue? Maybe culture has something to do with it?

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            Can you acknowledge that some issues require addressing multiple factors? Or can your brain not handle that level of complex thought?

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              I literally said “banning guns is not the only issue.

              Learn to read before you start insulting someone else’s intelligence.

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                The “issue” is not banning guns.

                The issue is people dying en masse repeatedly from guns.

                Get that straight. Banning guns is a partial solution that helps to address the issue in literally every single western country.

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                  Get what straight? Your views even though many other people in this comment chain say banning guns is the solution?

                  Banning guns is a partial solution that helps to address the issue in literally every single western country.

                  Really? Another person said it’s gun control, not banning.

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                    Answer the question: multiple factors contribute to a problem, do you a) address none of them or b) address all of them?

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            the fuck are you trying to say here???

            Banning guns is the only issue. Full stop.

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        Did you not read the part where they said that dumb Americans can shut up and keep their idiocacy to themselves?

        Like honestly, this is the DUMBEST fucking argument I’ve ever heard.

        Multiple factors contribute to the both the rate and severity of violent crime, congratulations Einstein! Now answer me this, when multiple factors contribute to something happening, and you want to stop that something from happening, do you a) sit around and do nothing and say it’s impossible to address in any way shape or form cause the solution requires addressing multiple factors, or do you b) try and address all the factors contributing to it, starting with the easiest and most obvious ones?

        Like Jesus Christ, think with your fucking brain, not the lead dust poisoning it.

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            Say something that’s not a brain dead NRA argument if you want people to not insult your intelligence.

            Tell us again how when multiple factors contribute to a problem that means you can’t address any of them.

            That was your argument right?

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              Tell us again how when multiple factors contribute to a problem that means you can’t address any of them.

              That was your argument right?

              Where did I ever suggest that? You can quote me so there’s no ambiguity.

              Or just admit you’re making up bullshit that’s easier to argue against because you can’t address what I’m actually saying.

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                Oh I’m sorry, your arguing that El Salvador and the US have comparable levels of law enforcement and border control?

                Oh I’m so sorry I mistook your dumbass argument that has no merit for a different dumbass argument that has no merit.

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                  making up bullshit that’s easier to argue against because you can’t address what I’m actually saying.

                  Lol, there you go doing it again.

                  your arguing that El Salvador and the US have comparable levels of law enforcement and border control?

                  I’m arguing the exact opposite of that. You should really brush up on your reading comprehension. Try to address what’s being said instead of playing leapfrog with yourself like someone who is chronically reddit-brained.

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                    Your argument is that gun control is not the answer to reducing gun crime, because, El Salvador bans guns and has a high rate of gun crime.

                    It’s a dumbass argument and we’re all waiting for you to explain how it’s not.

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        Guns are legal in all those countries besides Venezuela. Cos guns are legal in most of the world. It’s just they are generally controlled. And Venezuela is on the verge on collapse anyway. I don’t think this is the slam dunk argument you think it is.

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          Guns are legal in all those countries besides Venezuela. Cos guns are legal in most of the world.

          Then why doesn’t most of the world have a firearm homicide rate comparable to that of the US?

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                You’re not arguing in good faith here. I’ve answered you’re initial, idiotic, comment. I’ve answered your second, idiotic, comment that was highly selective in what it quoted of me as if it was trying to “gotcha” me. And now this horseshit? I’ve already alluded to how most of the rest of the world does it, I suggest you go read up on it rather than trying to push your agenda on me.

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                  After a lot of back and forth with him getting more flummoxed and aggressive

                  You think guns should be banned, tried to argue that it’s just ‘gun control’ that’s the issue, then when pressed on it you retreat and resort to petty insults.

                  I accept your unconditional surrender.

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                    I have not once stated my position on the issue. Wouldn’t call what I said a petty insult either, more a statement of fact about your idiotic comments, but if you’re thin skinned/wrong I can see how they could be interpreted that way. Stop trying to gotcha me, you’re not very good at it, and it’s just making you look dumber. The arrogance in your final comment says a hell of a lot about your character too, and like the rest of your comments here, it’s not saying much good.

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        “That was the time I realised it was a waste of everything talking about it.”