• dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
    721·
    11 months ago

    “from scratch”

    It’s like a page worth of instructions you can follow verbatim excluding bootloader and network. If you watch one video of someone doing it to fill those gaps there is nothing to it.

    Source: I watched Kai Hendry speed install arch, bookmarked the video and all my machines are now arch “from scratch” in 10 minutes or less of actual keyboard time.

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 months ago

      Mental Outlaw also has the great guide explaining the install step-by-step in a great detail

    • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.de
      4·
      10 months ago

      I think calling it “a page worth” is understating it somewhat, especially if you want a full install to actually use stuff. In reality, when installing at first, you’ll be finding stuff you missed for a while, like hardware video decoding.

      Also, are you referring to just the direct instructions for one choice? Because to me, the point of installing manually is educating yourself on the choices, choosing one that suits you, and understanding what you’re doing to set it up. Of course, when you’re doing subsequent installs, you already know that stuff - but at that point you might just want to write an install script instead of running them manually.

      • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        10 months ago

        I think it depends what you want out of it.

        The arch install from the ISO is a layered process. You can always add more, but a bootable install is not much over a page away. I do like to pick what’s best for me, but that’s not a prerequisite for first install. Do it, take notes, refine, and repeat.

        I don’t have an installer or anything, but I have pretty comprehensive notes of what I like (bootctl vs grub, network-manager vs systemd-networkd and friends, and so on). But to have a system that boots and optionally has a desktop environment of your choosing is not exactly a Rubik’s cube of difficulty.

    • exu@feditown.comEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      I don’t remember the channel anymore, but there’s one guy constantly updating various setups. Like Arch with encryption, Arch with BTRFS, etc. I started with one of those videos and wrote my own step by step guide. Now I’m just following my own guide whenever I install Arch.

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        I wouldn’t dare do that. If my own guide becomes outdated I’d have wasted time and effort. But to each their own. 👍

  • hottari@lemmy.ml
    39·
    10 months ago

    No big difference between those two methods of install. You get the real medal when a random upgrade breaks some software and you are able to track down the issue and corresponding solution(s).

    • KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 months ago

      Where are these random breaks?
      I use alias update='yay -Pw ; pacman -Syu ; yay -Syu' to update and never encountered one.

      • brian@programming.dev
        6·
        10 months ago

        python version bump always broke a handful of aur packages for at least a couple days for me. In general tho, all my problems were related to aur packages not getting updated at the same rate as official repos.

        switched to nixos and avoided that entire class of problems

  • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
    212·
    11 months ago

    Yo Arch users. Try daily driving Linux From Scratch. I dare ya. Let’s see what you’re really made of.

  • NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com
    12·
    10 months ago

    Endeavour Os was the best thing I ever used. Easy to install, out of box is minimal but sufficient. I traded my Linux Mint to be able to customize my workflow, look and feel.

    • YAMAPIKARIYA@lemmyfi.comOP
      3·
      10 months ago

      I used it for a while too before I learned about archinstall. eOS has a great community though. I use their forum to look for answers often

  • chi-chan~@lemmy.world
    12·
    10 months ago

    I never had success with archinstall, just the regular installation.

    It’s kinda weird, actually.

  • xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world
    11·
    11 months ago

    I don’t use Arch but if I did id probably go with archinstall. I don’t see the point in going from scratch unless you absolutely need to. I could care less about bragging rights for installing an operating system lol.

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
      17·
      10 months ago

      I just don’t bother going for archinstall when regular installation “from scratch” takes 5 minutes (or 15, if you do it the first time). It is not scary and extremely simple, contrary to memes. Besides, it makes you understand the processes involved.

      Archinstall is just a little, nice helper to shorten and simplify installation even more.

    • people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org
      52·
      10 months ago

      You mean “couldn’t care less”. The way you’ve written it means that you do care a bit since you “could care less”.

    • traches@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      It’s not about bragging rights, all you do is follow instructions. I just do it that way because I can set everything up exactly how I like it

  • ashe@lemmy.starless.one
    11·
    11 months ago

    idk why, but everytime I try archinstall it breaks in one way or another. I’m sure it works perfectly well for everyone else, I’m just cursed

    note: not seeking advice, I prefer my manually installed FDE + secureboot EFISTUB setup anyways

    • ExceedinglyPanWoofer@yiffit.net
      1·
      11 months ago

      My current issue is that I can’t remote into the machine at all beyond ssh. Any attempt at a session just refuses to work no matter what guide, fix, video, forum post, etc I follow.

    • no banana@lemmy.world
      1·
      11 months ago

      I’ve found that’s usually true with many tech things. Everyone has a great time and I’m just cursed.

  • spittingimage@lemmy.world
    10·
    10 months ago

    I was going through some stuff and installing Arch from scratch was the only way I could feel anything at all.

    Every now and then I see that laptop and think "I should keep going and install those power management scripts ". Then I think “nah”.

  • Pumpkin Escobar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    11 months ago

    The new / rewritten arch install is fantastic. The btrfs layout, with encryption, really nice experience and end result.

  • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
    61·
    10 months ago

    NixOS is the new Arch… (cat, meet pigeons) Unfortunately It doesn’t have as much basic training as Arch did (which archinstall obviates, not that I think this is a bad thing, it’s time is here), which did so much to improve community. Unfortunately NixOS’s doco is woeful, while ArchWiki is gold standard.

    I say this as an ex Arch type who moved to Fedora, now ublue-kinoite, waiting for Nix to mature enough to daily (although I do have a T440p with 3 boot drives not doing much, hmm)…

    • Shareni@programming.dev
      41·
      10 months ago

      NixOS is the new Arch…

      Yeah nah, arch has an actual use case for normal users - it’s just the same old Linux with the most recent packages.

      Nix and guix simply don’t work as distros for regular people. They’re made for scientific and corporate applications. They add a huge amount of complexity in order to solve problems you don’t have.

      Nixos is like rust: hyped into the stratosphere by people who don’t use it

      I say this as an ex Arch type who moved to Fedora, now ublue-kinoite, waiting for Nix to mature enough to daily

      I’m running guix in fedora as a PM. You get most of the benefits, and can still use other PM’s like npm without crying for a week first. Although imo guix works better in that scenario since you can just “guix install X” and then use X like any other binary.