Are you hearing yourself? You sound ridiculous.
Results of Israel’s attacks:
20+ of the IRGC’s top commanders
Invaluable nuclear scientists
Military systems sabatoged
Nuclear facilities damaged
Airfields and other critical infrastructure damaged
Results of Iran’s retaliation:
A couple dozen Israeli civilian injuries
A few damaged buildings
These are not at all comparable. Clearly did way more damage to the Iranian regime, and Iran’s response is undeniably weaker.
What videos? Besides we’re going off of assessed damage. Israel kills Haniyeh in Tehran and Iran shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel kills 20+ of their top commanders in one night and Iran again shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel neuters Hezbollah, Iran does nothing. Israel bombs the Iranian embassy in Syria, and Iran does nothing. Mossad agents have been confirmed being literally everywhere in the Iranian state, and they do nothing.
Iran hasn’t done any percesion strikes or targeted assassinations or caused any damage to Israeli defenses or destroyed any critical Israeli infrastructure or any covert intelligence operations. They’ve done nothing because they can’t do anything. The Iranian regime literally made destroying Israel a core part of their identity, and over the past few years, Israel has been destroying them without any pushback. For a regime that brags about their prowess and capabilities, why haven’t they used them already? The answer is simple, Iran is a paper tiger.
What has Iran done that actually constitutes a proportional response? Every time they get humiliated by Israel, they shoot a bunch of empty missles and then claim that they destroyed Tel Aviv, even though more than 90% of their missles don’t hit anything.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. How did you even get that from what I said?
Iran is a paper tiger. A war of that scale can only be fought if the other side has the capabilities to fight back, Iran does not.
They have the capability but they’re not there yet. They’re trying to get there, but every time they make progress Israel bombs them back to square. It’s been an effective strategy to stall Iran’s ability to get nukes.
There won’t be a WWIII because Iran can’t do anything to Israel
Iran is one of the biggest instigators of genocide in the Middle East. Their proxy terrorist groups have been systematically wiping out religious minorities for decades now.
It is my firm opinion that all people are inherently stupid. We’re just apes that evolved to live in simple ape societies, but we somehow ended up living in insanely complex societies that are all interconnected with each other. It’s just too much for our ape brains to keep up with everything.
Boy that’s not good. I’m not surprised, but it’s still not good.
I don’t have disagreements with the point you’re making. I was just confused why the topic switched from the crew being detained to Palestinians being unfairly imprisoned. They’re not really the same thing.
Regardless though, apparently Israel has routed the boat to Ashdod and is detaining the activists in a nearby facility until they get deported to their respective countries. So I guess this conversation doesn’t mean much since debating whether or not they’re hostages isn’t applicable anymore.
Okay, so actually we now know how the situation has and will unfold so there’s no need to speculate.
As it turns out, the boat was actually routed to the port of Ashdod. All 12 activists are fine and they’re currently being detained in a facility nearby after undergoing medical checks. They’re going to stay there until they get deported to their respective countries.
Israel claims that the aid that was on bored will get sent to Gaza through established channels, but whether that will happen is questionable. Also Israel also said that they’re apparently going to make the activists watch videos of the Oct 7th terrorist attacks before deporting them.
Yes, you’re exactly right. The only thing Gaza has that they can use as leverage are the hostages, and when 12 new ones show up right at their doorstep, are they going to let the opportunity pass them by? Of course not. The activists themselves understand this which is why they didn’t make a real effort to actually land. The point is to generate media attention by getting intercepted.
You would think this is common sense, but people on this site lack it. The sheer amount of users here who are simply incapable of even explaining their positions is baffling.
I mean we have to go based on the evidence that we have, right? We can’t make up scenarios and pretend they’re reality when they’re not. In this case, Israel radioed the boat to change course to the port of Ashdod and informed the activists that maritime traffic is closed. After that the boat has been intercepted. That’s all we know thus far. Beyond this point, it’s just speculation. I’m saying that based on the history of these incidents, the intercepted boats do actually get routed to the port Ashdod, and then from there the activists are taken into custody until Israeli authorities contact their respective embassies who will help organize their release.
No, I’m just giving you proper context. People like you are so dishonest because you’re willing to believe and spread misinformation if it confirms your biases and you accuse anything that doesn’t as being supportive of the opposite, and that’s just not true.
Israel’s blockade of Gaza is illegal under international law, but the interception and detainment of these activists is not illegal under Israeli law, which is the legal framework that matters here.
That’s not where the security concern comes from. If they allow this boat to land then that means their blockade isn’t perfect, and there are cracks to exploit, and you can be sure that these cracks will be exploited. Also, more importantly, if they actually step foot in Gaza, there’s a very high chance they’ll either get killed or be taken as hostages. That will cause another round international outrage that Israel would rather avoid. It’s much simpler to intercept them and send them back to their countries after contacting their countries respective embassies.
I’m not defending it, I’m just pointing that the detainment of this point and it’s crew is technically legal. Agreeing or disagreeing with is irrelevant to the point.
I suspect Hamas took a page out of Bin Laden’s playbook, and expected Oct 7 to invite an extreme reaction, the same way Sept 11 drew America into two decades of war, thousands of deaths, and trillions of dollars.
I don’t think Bin Laden predicted America’s reaction to 9/11, most of the world, including Americans didn’t either. I also don’t think Hamas has the capacity to be this strategic. I think it really is as simple as it was. They planned a bunch of terrorist attacks to cause as much harm and damage as possible to Israel and Israelis, and then take a bunch of civilians hostage to escape the consequences that would ensue. I think Hamas banked on Israel’s history of giving up a lot to retrieve their hostages to sign a ceasefire right after the attacks and get the hostages back. They probably didn’t expect Israel to ditch the hostages and start bombing Gaza into oblivion like this.
America will never recover from 9/11, and Israel will never recover from 10/7, no matter how many Muslims they murder.
Countries will always recover from tragedy. If Japan can recover after being burned down and nuked, if Poland can recover from a century of Nazi and Soviet occupation, if China can recover from the worst famine in history, then countries can recover from terrorist attacks and their aftermath.
Though I agree with you that trying to wipe out terrorist groups with force is futile. You can’t erase ideologies with violence. What America did and Israel is doing now is playing a futile game of whackomole where the only thing they end up achieving is killing a lot of innocent people and throwing obscene amounts of money down the drain.
The aid is just symbolic. Gaza has 2 million people, a single small sailboat worth of partial cargo isn’t enough to even be considered a drop in the bucket. The only real way humanitarian aid can make a difference is if Israel and Egypt allow hundreds of tucks in daily.
Israel’s objective isn’t regime change. They would welcome a regime change, but that has never been the objective. The actual objective has been to dismantle Iran’s ability to project power. This means stopping them from getting nukes, having a capable military, and having reliable proxies. They’ve been doing a good job doing all of this over the past few years, and this attack is another example.
On the other hand, Iran’s explicitly stated objective is to destroy Israel… And they haven’t done a thing to get anywhere near that.
You’re simply being dishonest by trying to pretend that Iran is somehow keeping up or exceeding Israel in their back and forth when they’re very clearly and objectively not.