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  • Zozano@lemy.loltoComic Strips@lemmy.worldHistory repeats
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    1 hour ago

    We’re arguing about semantics, of course I’m going to argue about the textbook definition.

    I’m not denying tradition has often had a deeper meaning behind it which has resulted in good outcomes.

    All I’ve been saying this entire time is that as far as REASONS go, tradition IS the least valid.

    If you choose to conflate “good reason” with “good outcome”, go argue with a dictionary.



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    I think the problem here is you’ve assumed my usage of “good” and “bad” are referring to the net reduction / increase of suffering.

    I’ve been using the term “worst” as synonymous with “least valid”. So yes, within my context, good reason implicitly follows the form A->B.

    Seriously, think about it for a moment. without knowing whether the OUTCOME is good or bad, what is a good REASON?

    If you found your friend bleeding out, slipping in and out of consciousness, life and death situation, and a cop chases you all the way to the hospital, do you think the cop is going to think you have a good REASON for speeding?

    Tradition is the least valid reason (in terms of epistemology) for doing anything.

    Saying “because” is just straight up invalid.

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    But we, the people are the evolutionary filter of traditions. We decide which ones are the fit ones, which ones of the ones we inherited will we pass down and which to banish into history.

    Tradition is the lowest common denominator, and relying on our collective filter for social evolution is the least efficient metric by which to evaluate productive change; tradition is the worst reason.

    Just give me one example where tradition is not the worst reason for doing anything (I know you did already but I am convinced tradition is still a worse reason that sadistic pleasure, both as a valid justification and in terms of net-negative suffering outcomes).




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    So in the cases where I burn corpses, and wear a condom while fucking my sister, wouldn’t it be better if my reasons were to stop disease and genetic defect?

    If someone asked why I was wearing a condom I could say “so she doesn’t get pregnant, also, you want in on this Dad?”, and that’s better than “because”



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    Satisfying a sadistic urge will generally have a bad outcome (unless your target is a masochist), but as a reason, it is actually better than tradition.

    If murdering people and rearranging their body parts was just “tradition”, it would be infinitely worse than someone doing it out of self satisfaction.

    Traditions do often serve purpose, take for instance the birthday song. We say we do it for “tradition”, but the real reason is because it’s a familiar song everyone can participate in singing, to direct cheer at the birthday-twat. It’s generally fun.