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  • Why would they put effort into changing something which works for them with the risk of breaking things?

    The sentiment is similar to climate change deniers. Why would we stop with fossil fuels when they work, people have jobs, etc. And why would we risk breaking the power grid?

    And as long as that works for them, they won’t actively change anything.

    Wayland on gnome and Ubuntu is already the default. It seems to me you have to actively change the default to x.

    It would be interesting to see in which scenario x is better than wayland. The only reason I can think of is an (old) Nvidia card. With new Nvidia’s I guess the statement would otherwise be ‘i will not use it until they fix Wayland’











  • I agree, all the apps I use run natively on Wayland, but I think there will always be some legacy X11 apps that won’t get ported. So, I think I’ll implement it, but it is definitely not a priority.

    While I understand the need for legacy, I also think at some point legacy should be left alone. If it is really needed for some old app to run, VM should do fine. I don’t think missing xorg is ever going to be an issue in 2025+ (well, Electron apps maybe). Yet added and not used features (or seldom used features) is offset with future maintenance burden and/or security issues for no good reason.

    This also applies to OpenGL comment. Every code path introduces a maintenance burden. While support of more devices is good, supported devices are super old in this case and the question is - is it worth it? Vulkan drivers should either way be in a better state.

    Looks very interesting! I wonder how it works, so I definitely will check it out.

    Is super cool, there is a presentation in one of the conferences about it. Architecture is explained somewhere in the docs. Anyway, if you do implement it - this would be a good alternative to https://guacamole.apache.org

    Who knows, maybe it would be a money opportunity.

    Why?

    It’s not Microsoft, but actually an open source community running open source forge. Also, it’s way faster to use in browser.


  • If we are talking ideas, I would propose the following:

    • focus on the future instead of the past
      • get rid of everything Xorg (including xwayland). Reasoning: recent app upgrades to gtk4 and qt6 support Wayland just fine. Gnome has it by default, I’m not sure where plasma stands. Few things that don’t work, people can probably live without (like chromium which has Firefox as a working alternative)
      • replace OpenGL with Vulkan (that means get rid of OpenGL completely if possible). Reasoning: things sold in the last 10 years support vulkan.
    • not sure what is the state in smaller distros. Maybe it would be good to reach out to LinuxMint, lxqt and others to see what would it take for them to switch. If you could implement needed features easily…maybe they would switch.
    • RDP?
    • Html? E.g. https://greenfield.app/
    • consider moving to codeberg?

    I know dropping xwayland and opengl is unpopular, but this is where things are going. It’s on the gnome Todo sometime because as far as I read, there is development for mutter to be built totally without xorg support. Plus they recently switched gtk4 to use New vulkan rendered by default.

    Another question came to my mind: how is video processing handled? There were some changes in Mutter and/or gtk4 so it would be efficient, any chance for louvre to have it?. E.g. https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-46-Beta-Released