TimmyDeanSausage

Melee is actually pretty fun with the bene gesserit skills. You can tie multiple movement skills together to zip around a room killing enemies with super speed

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In the fictional world republicans have crafted for you with their propaganda, sure.

Riveting. I’m on the edge of my seat here with these revolutionary new ideas.

So first step is winning, right? As I said, there’s different ways to win, including lying or telling the truth. Has nothing to do with being “cool” or not.

You’re shifting previous statements to work around my arguments instead of directly refutting them. You said this, within the context of unconditionally supporting the people doing it. What am I supposed to take from that other than “the important thing is winning at all costs”? Are you seriously trying to make the argument that you can win by lying, like that’s some sort of new information to anyone in the world anywhere? If so, forgive me for being confused by the sheer stupidity of the argument.

“Everything my team does isn’t as bad as if your team did it”. That’s what you sound like.

Your team did it though. Wake the fuck up.

No, I’m arguing with an un-serious person who shifts the goal posts and changes the topic instead of arguing in good faith. I was going to copy and paste a section of you saying lying and propaganda are valid winning strategies, but you seem to be having a hard time keeping up with the conversation, and I’m not interested in debating with disingenuous people.

I don’t think winning elections justifies an entire propaganda network existing for the sole purpose of manipulating the masses into being the foot soldiers in a class war against themselves. I also don’t think the people who would lie and manipulate like that could possibly be the same people that would dismantle the current billionaire-centric economic structure. I think, if you’re a right winger in current US politics, you’re extremely ignorant, short-sighted, or intentionally invested in transferring wealth from the poor to the super wealthy. The right is ultra neo-liberalism mixed with overt oligarchy. The left is neo-liberalism lite mixed with subtle oligarchy, but heavily fractured between that group and a different group that is actually constantly trying to change things for the better. If you’re paying attention, there’s a clearly better choice for working class Americans. But people like you would rather argue right wing points into the ground (they never hold up to logic or real data) until you can’t argue them anymore, then shift to “well at least our evil behavior brings us wins!”. You’re not an American.

Looks like you’re gonna have somewhere between 3 to 17 babies. Congrats OP! ;)

Those are two great points, and I completely agree with both of em. The 2A thing, in the US, is just one of many tools the billionaire class has used in their propaganda machine to push the Overton window the way they have around the world.

Yeah, of course. I used to live down the street from a house for homeless men. I spoke with one of them that would hang out at the gas station every day and, according to him, they had to apply and be accepted on the condition that they would stay out of trouble. Did that stop them from busking until they got their substance abuse fix for the day? Absolutely not. But they were a lot cleaner and much more safe than people without that house. I also regularly saw a few of them cleaning around that house and a few square blocks of it. They seemed to feel the need to upkeep the place and it actually looked much nicer than most of the houses in the area, including mine. But yeah, helping people into homes is really just the starting point to getting a lot of people in that situation on track to a more stable living situation.

I completely understand were you’re coming from. I grew up in an incredibly disfunctional/abusive household and left at 15. I’ve been pretty much completely self-reliant since then. I was mostly self reliant before that. My parents idea of raising children was occasionally popping in to feed us or beat us (sometimes literally) into submission. I don’t need any external input to come to my own non-shitty conclusions on things because I’ve always had to think for myself.

However, I was also extremely lucky to find some good male role models in early adulthood that completely changed a lot of my life, mostly by exposing me to new ideas, skill sets, and opportunities. I think, while you and I have been shaped by hardships in a way that makes us mentally resilient enough to feel like we don’t need that mentorship, most young men don’t have that and they’re really floundering without guidance. I also think that this ultimately stems from homophobic tensions drilled into men of the last few generations that told us that platonic close relationships and brotherly affection between men is unacceptable.

So, while I agree that right wing ideology isn’t the default for young men who lack positive guidance, it’s a completely understandable outcome when the only available guidance they have, in a world that leaves young people with so many important/big questions, is a highly curated machine designed to lure them into a downward spiral towards far right/ fascist ideology.

The 2A crowd brought us fascism by voting for literally anyone who told them they could keep their AR’s. Now we have fascism-lite with our government disappearing people unlawfully with plain-clothed goon squads, and the 2A crowd is on the side of the fascists. In other words, they were the ones screaming about the importance of the people being able to protect themselves from the government, for decades, and now that we’re in a situation were people actually need to do that, they’re on the sidelines cheering on the authoritarian government. A lot of people like me aren’t surprised at all.

I’m noticing that OP is insecure about people who are more curious/ situationally aware than them lol

Yes, that is the current paradigm we live in. I would argue that it’s this way because of how effective the right wing propaganda machine has been over the last 4.5 decades.

So, you’re saying lies and propaganda are cool as long as your team keeps winning?

Wow. I remember the way the right wing propaganda machine tried to spin that into a story of total cruelty. At the time, I assumed their version of events was bs, but never really looked into what the dem’s were actually doing. Converting old motels into homes for homeless people is an absolute no-brainer.

It’s ironic that you’re lecturing “democrats” on worshipping the status quo while parroting the current right wing status quo propaganda. If you ignore what the media says, and instead look at actual votes (congress.gov) or watch congressional sessions on cspan, it should be very clear that a good amount of democrats tend to be the ones trying to govern, while the right wingers are constantly sabotaging everything they do in the name of corporate profit, then blaming dem’s for the fallout from whatever shitty thing the right wingers did instead of what the dem’s wanted.

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched dems lay out thoroughly researched, thoughtful plans on policy, or thoroughly explain how the policies the far-right implemented are screwing working-class Americans, only to have some right winger passionately “rebut” their arguments with complete nonsense, get their 5 second media clips, then sit down and stare at their phones not paying attention until it’s their time to talk again.

Everything they tell you dem’s are doing, they’re the ones doing it. And now they’re telling you that what I’m saying is what OUR propaganda is telling us. It’s all bullshit. I’ve been watching the behind the scenes stuff for almost 10 years. It’s been this way the entire time. And btw, I started doing this because I used to consider myself a libertarian until I started noticing the lies. Particularly how the party of “individual freedom” fought so hard against same sex marriage (a freedom heteros have, that every INDIVIDUAL of legal age should have). I bought completely into the propaganda and didn’t realize how far I was from understanding what was actually going on until I really started questioning everything. I hope you can muster the intellectual honesty to question things in a similar way.

I didn’t say I was special. I just experienced the vitriol as an American. I can’t speak to other people’s experiences.

But also, please use deodorant and stop being so rude to American visitors in paris. I get that a lot of us are shitty tourists, but some of us are just regular people who are there for work (and not paid as well as you’d think to be there for that work).

Edit: said France when I meant Paris cause I’m a stupid American ;)

I think that’s likely all it was. But, I also think it’s a little too convenient that Trump is done with Elon now that the dirty work has been done to line up manufactured support for their billionaire tax break bill. At risk of getting a little conspiratorial, it’s possible Trumps team actually planned to use Elon to do all the worst damage so they could cut him loose, after the fact, then blame him for the worst of the fallout.