• ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Intolerance does not require violence. Equivocating a lack of on-sight violence with tolerance/advocacy is absurd.

    So, no. You don’t believe that is a right. Rights are things that apply to all people at all times, you know. If you believe certain people do not have the right not to be physically assaulted by strangers, then you do not believe in that right, period.

    Thanks for pointing out that “The left want everyone to have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.” is a lie.

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      The distinction is that everyone has a right to defense, not to “never get punched no matter what”. If someone is running at you with a spear, then you’re entitled to defend yourself before the spear actually impales you. The same goes for credible threats to genocide your people.

      One does not need to be a pacifist in order to respect the rights of others.

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      Your user history is disgusting. You’re constantly contentious. You pick fights with others, ask them to cite behaviors you have or haven’t exhibited. No one is gonna do homework for a bad faith actor. I would be surprised if you had any friends who would willingly talk to you in real life.

      And yeah, if you got hit out there in real life, I would laugh while you would rub your jaw. I celebrate nazis getting hit.

      That’s the kind of person you are.

      You could change, but we both know you’re not going to.

      You’re just gonna keep on playing your slimy little cryptofascist game, and try to trick people who don’t see your shenanigans.

      And you will never ever enjoy the comforts of a sincere human relationship.

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        Your user history is disgusting. You’re constantly contentious.

        I disagree with things when I have good reason to, and I back up every position I take. That’s more than I can say for you. And your type is always the first/only to lob personal insults, in response to your position(s) being challenged, making this accusation a particularly amusing bit of projection.

        You pick fights with others

        Correcting a false statement is not picking a fight. It only seems that way to people so embroiled in identity politics that they’ve lost the ability to distinguish between a challenge to their politics/assumptions, and a personal attack.

        No one is gonna do homework for a bad faith actor.

        I’ve not asked anyone to ‘do homework’.

        I would be surprised if you had any friends who would willingly talk to you in real life.

        That must be because your definition of “friend” is ‘someone who agrees with me on everything and never contradicts me’, and you’re projecting that onto me, after I’ve demonstrated the willingness to engage someone in disagreement.

        I have plenty of friends. I don’t require my friends to agree with me–I welcome challenges to any positions I hold, that’s how they get corrected/revised/strengthened over time. The only prerequisite is that the challenge must be of substance–if it’s standard ideologue far of emotional arguments, or just repeating talking points you’ve done no original thinking about, you’re not going to get anywhere with someone who actually uses their brain.

        I get the distinct impression you’ve never “steelmanned” an argument in your life.

        And yeah, if you got hit out there in real life, I would laugh while you would rub your jaw.

        This makes you a bad person, objectively.

        I celebrate nazis getting hit.

        I’d rather strike the ideology than the individual, especially given what I’ve learned in my research about how ‘punching Nazis’ literally helps them in the long term. (see the comment I posted immediately prior to this for details/citations)

        That’s the kind of person you are.

        It’s truly indicative of your political extremism that you’re labeling me a Nazi, just for contrdicting you.

        You could change, but we both know you’re not going to.

        I’ve changed my positions many times over the years. Thing is, it requires a challenge of substance to do so. Lobbing personal insults and calling people Nazis for having the temerity to contradict you? Well, that ain’t it, sunshine.

        And you will never ever enjoy the comforts of a sincere human relationship.

        This really is pathetic, you know? To create this ridiculous fantasy in your mind about how, since I’ve contradicted you, I must be the biggest loser you can conceive of. Extra little bit of irony is that I received one of my SO’s frequent (we’re both on the mushy side, I’ll admit) expressions of love, just as I was reading the above sentence.

        Now, just because it’s funny to me, I’m going to show you my political compass and 8values test results, knowing you will have no idea how to integrate the absurd assumptions you’ve made about me, with them. I predict you’ll accuse them of being fabricated; after all, denial is generally the easiest way to hide from inconvenient truth.

        https://i.imgur.com/ra1ix0n.png
        https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=61.5&d=60.6&g=64.5&s=75.2

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          7 months ago

          Rich white boy with ADHD detected. Dude was right and your paragraphs are actually proving his point about your post history. What’s it like being a “nuh-uh” parrot?

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            Rich white boy with ADHD detected.

            “I’m racist, classist, and as a bonus, also bigoted against those with mental illness” is not the comeback you think it is.

            I’m correct, you know it, and you’re mad about it. That’s why you insult me instead of pointing out a single flaw in anything I said.

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              No dude, nobody has to argue with you. You’re just obnoxious. You might be able to put words in the mouths of your family and friends, but literally nobody online has to entertain your bullshit. Enjoy staying generally unliked I guess

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                Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don’t care if bigoted ideologues like me. Your whiny personal insults are meaningless to me. The fact remains that if my arguments were flawed, your replies would be hammering my arguments instead of lobbing your impotent personal attacks.

                The funniest part is that people like you actually feel morally superior after an exchange like this.

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                  You have no idea what ideologue means. There’s no morals or honor here dude, just an internet board. You have a disgustingly inflated sense of self worth and you seem genuinely unlikable. I can’t imagine you ever listen to anyone anywhere before butting in with hardline sweeping generalizations, your input is generally worthless, and you’re more concerned with being right than being correct.

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                    It’s so pitiful how ideologues (“an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic <-- fits you perfectly, considering how you react to facts that contradict you)” can’t manage anything other than variations of ‘you’re a bad person’ when they’re confronted with facts that contradict their precious narratives. Forbid anyone ever tell you that your short-sighted ego-stroking lust for instant gratification and convincing yourself of your moral superiority (another reason for the barrage of insults mentioned in the first sentence) may not actually be the best long-term move. No amount of evidence and data can shake an ideologue from their assumptions.

                    But yes, just keep pretending you know better than people whose life’s work is researching and understanding extremist movements, they’re all dumbasses and you’ve got the divine knowledge, right?

                    I pity you.