• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    There’s nothing you’ll ever accept as enough evidence that this is how language works and go “oh, okay, I think I was wrong.” That’s not even on the table. You’re literally not capable of even writing those words.

    When you’re reading text, and it has the word “coke” in it, do you read it differently than “Coke”?

    Could you perhaps take a guess at what’s the difference?

    First one stands for (depending on the place of usage), any type of cola, cocaine or even any type of soda drink. that’s valid usage in the Southern US, calling a can of any carbonated sugary drink “coke” is perfectly fine. Whereas “Coke” is short for “Coca-Cola” and refers to the actual Coke.

    Now unless I’m speaking to a second grader or something, you should be able to grasp the meaning of that. It works just like it does with “Nazi”, “nazi.”

    No, I didn’t invent the rules of capitalisation

    How about you attempt to prove that the capitalisation of the “N” changes the meaning to not being nazis but, instead, “Jewish people we don’t like.”

    This has nothing to do with being a Jew and everything to do with being a small-minded, brainwashed, fascist genocide supporting piece of shit. In other words a nazi, as is the accepted colloquial usage.

    Israeli government are despicable nazis.

    Why would you make this about being Jewish?

    Jewish people are great. Nazis fucking suck dick. Israeli government is full of nazis. Israeli government isn’t the same as Jewish people. That’s like saying that if I call Putler a fucking nazi, that I’m “just referring to Christians you don’t like”.

    Like how fucking thick do you have to be to make that argument?

    Israeli government are scum. Jewish people are lovely. And the true people of God are against this sort of nazi bullshit and would seek to make Israel face it’s sins.

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      4 months ago

      Also, coke is a type of treated coal that produces much more heat, it’s used in steel manufacturing.

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        4 months ago

        Yes, crossed my mind, thought not to confuse them more.

        Ty for pointing it out tho.

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        Man those arguments keep getting worse, eh?

        How about grab yourself by the neck and actually Google some of these words so you don’t have to keep publicly humiliating yourself like that.

        Strawmen worse than what my niece comes up with, and she doesn’t even speak well yet.

        https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/Nazi

        1 : a member of a German political party that controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler

        2 disapproving : an evil person who wants to use power to control and harm other people especially because of their race, religion, etc.

        Now you can try to make the argument that we’ve all been brainwashed by the media and that that these people wouldn’t fit into the description of “an evil person harming other people for their race religion etc” :

        https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

        Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant

        On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

        Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

        My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were committed as part of a widespread and systematic attack against the Palestinian civilian population pursuant to State policy. These crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

        So I really don’t know what you’re disagreeing with here, since none of these are my opinions, or shitty examples I’ve made up. They’re definitions in such common usage you can find them listed on big linguistic organisations.

        You’re just offended that people are justifiably horrified by the nazi shit Israel is doing and wish to pretend it isn’t happening.

        Descriptive language is a thing even if you pretend it isn’t. So are Israeli war crimes.

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            Yeah, we both do know why. It’s not because anyone is being antisemitic, as explained several times.

            You’re ashamed that you didn’t understand what “colloquial” and “prescriptive” meant.

            “Nazi” as a colloquialism means “horrible fascist”. It is literally synonymous with it, as I’ve shown several times with several links to several different dictionaries, even explaining what “common usage” is and what linguists call an error and what not.

            The reason the Israelis are being called nazis is that Israel is acting worse than historical Nazis, raping, pillaging, attacking hospitals, torturing prisoners, destroying aid convoys on purpose. And the leaders of Israel are worse than a lot of actual Nazi leaders.

            Do you think your “you’re just using Nazi because you hate Jews” rhetoric will work? No-one else has your magical powers to ignore an actual holocaust going on.

            Now I suppose you’ll protest the use of “holocaust”, and that makes me antisemitic, because you don’t understand the difference between “holocaust” and “the Holocaust”.

            https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

            On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

            Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

            My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were committed as part of a widespread and systematic attack against the Palestinian civilian population pursuant to State policy. These crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

            People who stuff like that are rightfully called nazis, and your lame protestations definitely won’t make calling Israel’s genocidal fascist leaders nazis any less common or any more anysemitic.

            No-one is talking about the Jewish people here except you. Is there a reason you’re trying to equate Israel and Judaism? Perhaps something like… this word which apparently can’t be used either, as it’s “antisemitic” as well, according to some.

            Tldr you didn’t read that anyway. You’re angry you didn’t understand basic linguistics so now you’re trying super hard to pretend Israeli leaders aren’t horrible fascists, because you can’t pretend anymore that you don’t understand what “colloquial” and “prescriptive” mean, because several commenters beat it into your low brow.

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              3 months ago

              Its either antisemitism or ignorance. Take your pick.

              So now you’re trying super hard to pretend Israeli leaders aren’t horrible fascists

              Thats specifically the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying to you. The IDF are lead by and is full of fascsists.

              You’ll have to try again there.

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                3 months ago

                Your refusal to acknowledge that descriptive language exists doesn’t make you right. In fact, it makes you wrong. Trying to give out some ultimatums comes across as a six-year old stomping their foot and saying “no no no no no no no no”

                Thats specifically the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying to you. The IDF are lead by and is full of fascsists.

                Ah, so you’re not denying the genocide Israel is committing? (Provably so.) Ah, so this is literally actually only about you being so ashamed that you were caught saying something stupid by people smarter than you that you’re desperately trying to get the last word.

                No, using “nazi” in colloquial parliance as synonym for “fascist” isn’t antisemitic. Even suggesting that means you still don’t understand what “prescriptive” and “descriptive” actually mean.

                You’re wrong, but you’ll never be able to admit to it. So just stop replying, it’ll be easier for you that way and maybe next time you’ll do some Googling before commenting on linguistics you don’t understand.

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                  I didn’t say it doesn’t exist. I said its existence doesn’t make you right, as only an idiot would think that. That people can be called nazis in a non literal way doesn’t make calling Jewish people nazis right or wrong. Its a non sequitur, invalid argument that only an idiot would make.

                  No, in never denied it or came even close to it at any point. You were just kitchen sinking.

                  Bless you for thinking that you’re smarter than anyone, after your little outbursts.

                  Again, grow a spine, stop being a pathetic little coward, and let me know why you HAVE to use that word to describe Jewish people who happen to also be Israeli?

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                    That people can be called nazis in a non literal way doesn’t make calling Jewish people nazis right or wrong. Its a non sequitur, invalid argument that only an idiot would make.

                    It is, isn’t it. So why are you so adamant that people who are using everyday colloquial language like calling fascists ‘nazis’, is actually A DEFINITE SIGN of actual antisemitism?

                    Because that doesn’t follow from you not understanding linguistic terms.

                    “who happen to be Isreali”

                    Are you on crack? We’re talking about specifically the Israeli people. This whole thread is about Israel and their fascism, which is rightfully compared to the actual Nazis. And once more, using “nazi” in colloquial parliance (such as forum interactions for instance) does not mean one is drawing a comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany.

                    You are the one who’s afraid to stand behind their words. You said EVERYTIME, ANYONE uses “nazi” to refer to anyone Jewish, no matter the context or even awareness of the speaker, it’s ALWAYS antisemitism. That is prescriptivism, which you STILL don’t understand. Maybe watch a few youtube lectures on linguistics and come back in a few days if you seriously have to keep this childish bullshit up.

                    Just admit to your errors and be on your way. It’ll be much easier on your emotional well-being, this is clearly upsetting you.