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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works to NonCredibleDefense@lemmy.worldEnglish ·
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Considering last night's results, I don't expect NATO to be credible 4 years from now

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Considering last night's results, I don't expect NATO to be credible 4 years from now

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    I mean if Europe wants to increase their military funding and move items in house I think that would be a wonderful idea. Because America is not a reliable partner in this at all in the past two decades.

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      The perfect excuse for the military industrial complex to move manufacturing overseas.

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        So I’m going to say that the military industrial complex is already there, it would simply be a rapid expansion.

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      Multiple EU countries want to, but they also want to give stuff to Ukraine and it’s difficult to do both.

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      The problem is that America has all the money.

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        all the unhinged currency but also all the debt.

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      Cutting off American weapons manufacturers would tank the US economy. Please do it.

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      If Europe gets into a war of course the US will help. But the same can’t really be said if the US gets into a war. The rest of NATO needs to be able to hold the fort if the US were to get suddenly …distracted in the Pacific

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        If Europe gets into a war of course the US will help.

        How sure are you of that? Sure, if Russia marches towards the Atlantic Ocean, but if Russia decides to create a security buffer zone in Finland? Or the Baltic countries?

        NATO has only survived for as long because of the commitment of the US. Come January NATO is dead as well as a sovereign Ukraine.

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        If Europe gets into a war, the US will side with Russia. Trump has been a Russian asset since the 80s, and it’s clear that he gave Putin classified documents relating to American spies and informants during his last presidency when they suddenly started dying a few days after he met with Putin. And even more classified documents relating to American espionage against Russia than the ones he requested before that meeting were found in Mar a la Go.

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          can you cite a source on the spies dying a few days after he met Putin? Not saying it’s not true, just curious.

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            I wrote that incorrectly, it wasn’t a few days after he met Putin, but a marked spike over the months after. He requested classified documents related to CIA operations like 3 days before the meeting with Putin. It’s also a series of events over a couple of years because it wasn’t until at least a year later that the FBI raided Mar a Lago and found more classified documents related to intelligence operations. There’s no real way to know for sure unless Trump or Putin admit it, but the correlation was and is suspect by even the intelligence operations of the government and is partially why the inquiry into Trump was called for in the first place.

            https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/

            https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-fbi-raid-could-some-connection-murdered-cia-assets-msnbcs-joy-reid-speculates

            https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html

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          Hahahahahahahaha

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        Are you fucking stupid? Which is the only country to ever invoke article 5? How many other countries listened to the call for this injust war?

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          Are you fucking stupid?

          yes.

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