No ones going to mention this is obviously horse shit?
Like there’s so much wrong with this story I’m sure where to begin, like they will have produced ammunition in the 100s of thousands, did they write a note in like 1 in 20, or did they just get extremely lucky?
Where did they fund the shells? They either would have gone in one side and out the other, or they would have just disintegrated, especially if they were hollow.
The explosive filled in these shells is fairly significant amount of their mass. Did the Nazis running the factories not notice when the cases of ammunition are 20% lighter than they should be and the workers have several tonnes of explosive filler left over? Was there no quality control in the factories at all?
Why would they just start cutting open shells they presume are high explosive?
It looks like the source is a memoir written by a soldier. So I guess you’d have to take that one guy’s word for it, assuming interviews etc. with other people who would have seen the same event don’t exist.
I err on the side of people, especially people from generations prior to being able to verify a lot of stuff on the internet, being entirely full of shit.
This is the same kind of logic that would say 9/11 is fake because one of the terrorists’ ID cards was found unscathed in a New York street.
I’m not saying it happened, but your skepticism is way out of proportion.
The filling issue is an obvious problem, which is why any Czech trying to sabotage it would have spent the first couple years of their enslavement trying to to come up with a method that works. Maybe the factory made its explosives in-house and the explosives guy was in on it too, instead making inert chemicals with the same raw materials. Maybe the explosives where rendered inert through a chemical process. Maybe the explosives were smuggled out of the factory to empower resistance movements and exchanged with dirt.
When locked in a factory and ordered to make a certain amount of explosives, not making those explosives but making duds instead leaves you with a lot of spare time. If you’re already supposed to be a line worker making thousands of the same thing, why not make thousands of similar letters expressing your hope of rescue?
The shells would have been more solid than explosive shells, being filled with inert shock-absorbing dirt. Many of them would have exited the craft, but some would naturally have gotten stuck because the point of cluster munitions is to be birdshot.
It’s good military-scientific practice to study the weapons of the enemy, especially if they don’t do what you expect. British military intelligence was very thorough, down to using novel statistical techniques such as the German Tank Problem. Explosive munitions not exploding is a definite curiosity worth investigating.
No, the Nazis did not have good quality control. A lot of the popular conception of Nazis as technological geniuses comes directly from Nazi propaganda, repeated by American propaganda for the sake of demonizing the USSR and trying to justify Operation Paperclip scientists like Von Braun being given a warm welcome and getting rebranded as a hero.
The explosive filled in these shells is fairly significant amount of their mass.
Not really - the explosive charge is less than half an ounce when the whole shell (the projectile part, not including the cartridge casing and the propellant) is about 3.5 ounces. So the explosive charge is about 10% of the weight of the shell.
when the cases of ammunition are 20% lighter than they should be
The entire cartridge weighs about 11 ounces, so a cartridge with an empty charge cavity would be only about 2-3% lighter than normal. A case would also include the belt(s) and the weight of the box, so a case of sabotaged cartridges would be almost imperceptibly lighter than normal, with a difference probably less than 1%.
I agree that story is likely bullshit, but not for that particular reason. I don’t see why workers would risk calling added attention to their sabotage by putting little notes into each shell - not to mention the writer’s cramp this would produce.
That depends on what size she’ll were talking about right? Like I assume we’re talking about plane mounted 20mm here, but if it was flak 88 shell or something that would be much higher percentage explosive filler, although a direct hit with a flak 88 would be very rare.
It gets really bad when you realize that people treat this kind of bullshit with the same relative importance to their lives AND skepticism as they treat their democratic political decisions and stances that actually impact us all.
No ones going to mention this is obviously horse shit?
Like there’s so much wrong with this story I’m sure where to begin, like they will have produced ammunition in the 100s of thousands, did they write a note in like 1 in 20, or did they just get extremely lucky?
Where did they fund the shells? They either would have gone in one side and out the other, or they would have just disintegrated, especially if they were hollow.
The explosive filled in these shells is fairly significant amount of their mass. Did the Nazis running the factories not notice when the cases of ammunition are 20% lighter than they should be and the workers have several tonnes of explosive filler left over? Was there no quality control in the factories at all?
Why would they just start cutting open shells they presume are high explosive?
This 1,000% didn’t happen.
I’m not saying it happened, but it is a “known” story. Example: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/12/28/all-we-can-do-for-you-now-how-czech-sabotage-saved-a-b-17-crew/
It’s an apocryphal story.
It looks like the source is a memoir written by a soldier. So I guess you’d have to take that one guy’s word for it, assuming interviews etc. with other people who would have seen the same event don’t exist.
I err on the side of people, especially people from generations prior to being able to verify a lot of stuff on the internet, being entirely full of shit.
This is the same kind of logic that would say 9/11 is fake because one of the terrorists’ ID cards was found unscathed in a New York street.
I’m not saying it happened, but your skepticism is way out of proportion.
Is this the first you’re hearing of Nazi weapons factories? Because yeah, QA/QC was nearly non-existent
Nothing you didn’t see has ever happened. Its the vibe I’m getting.
Edit: Dropped a Y
Not really - the explosive charge is less than half an ounce when the whole shell (the projectile part, not including the cartridge casing and the propellant) is about 3.5 ounces. So the explosive charge is about 10% of the weight of the shell.
The entire cartridge weighs about 11 ounces, so a cartridge with an empty charge cavity would be only about 2-3% lighter than normal. A case would also include the belt(s) and the weight of the box, so a case of sabotaged cartridges would be almost imperceptibly lighter than normal, with a difference probably less than 1%.
I agree that story is likely bullshit, but not for that particular reason. I don’t see why workers would risk calling added attention to their sabotage by putting little notes into each shell - not to mention the writer’s cramp this would produce.
That depends on what size she’ll were talking about right? Like I assume we’re talking about plane mounted 20mm here, but if it was flak 88 shell or something that would be much higher percentage explosive filler, although a direct hit with a flak 88 would be very rare.
This is why you Always report images of text with no transcription or citations.
Mods, please delete this misinformation
It gets really bad when you realize that people treat this kind of bullshit with the same relative importance to their lives AND skepticism as they treat their democratic political decisions and stances that actually impact us all.