So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they’ve basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I’m watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That’s not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn’t possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump’s plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn’t Poilievre I’m sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that’s interested in social good.
The Left doesn’t have to split.
The left has to get their shit together before that can happen. Right now the left cares more about purity tests over being effective.
People are gonna hate this but here it is…
From my point of view as a disabled Canadian with a young family, who is close to many members of the local first Nations community, the left is as fascist as the right.
They treat minorities and disabled people like chattel. We live in poverty and are actively pursued if we attempt to bring ourselves out of it. At the same time they bail out our own billionaire olygarchs who have much more than they could ever need. They allow them to flaunt the laws of our country and give them a mere “slap on the wrist” for any infractions though they could pay hundreds of millions easily that could be used for better services for all Canadians.
Let’s all start calling it what it is and stop being nice about things. They need us to be poor and sick so there is fear in the so called middle class of ending up like us. Of losing everything because you got sick or hurt at work. Maybe your skin is the wrong color, your sex isn’t typical or your government has been trying to exterminate you for your entire existence. One little misstep or even something out of your control and your life is fucked forever.
They need you to go to work and to vote for them. They need you not to challenge them and hate one another because of your political beliefs, your racism or sexism, or your implied class. They need you to forget about us and argue with us. They need you to keep us down. And you do.
Until someone starts standing up for the little guys over here screaming at you, we will continue to be a fascist dictatorship to a portion of our population and the vast majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum couldn’t give a fuck.
People are gonna hate this
Around here? I wouldn’t be so sure.
Oh they do. I hear about it daily because I post these things m often. I’ve been called all kinds of names and told I’m a piece of crap on the regular. My fellow Canadians are no better than the Americans they deride.
On Lemmy?
Right now the left cares more about purity tests
People care about who they can trust. Far to much liberal politics revolves around lying, cheating, and scamming voters, donors, and activists.
You can’t have a viable Left in a country that’s too cynical to believe better things are possible.
More likely is the Conservatives will split back into 2 parties. The Progressives vs the Reformers.
Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.
Ranked choice doesn’t make sense in a proportional representation system.
It does if you still want to have a local representative, although everything seems to be party politics these days.
I’d be happy enough with proportional representation, though.
@SpaceCowboy @sik0fewl Proportional RCV does indeed exist https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/proportional-ranked-choice-voting/
What’s the difference between that and STV?
If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I’m still quite bitter about it
You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
Actually, I live in the first municipality in Canada to use ranked choice voting-- until the provincial government enacted a bill that disallowed it in 2020.
I’ve also been around long enough to have voted in the last Ontario referendum on the topic. It did not go well because people didn’t understand what was being proposed. Same story for BC’s referendum.
I’m merely pointing out the recurring theme over the last couple of decades where the LPC will make electoral reform promises they never fulfill.
Same story here in Colorado, everyone said it was ‘too complicated’ which translates to ‘we’re just straight up dumb’
Same regarding the last referendum. When that happened I knew for sure it had to be introduced in a smaller lower stakes way which is why I was pretty happy when London used ranked choice (a bright spot for a city whose politicians suck more often than not). Removing that is one of the things I hate most about Doug.
Oh my God you are so right about London politicians.
Remember those useless board of control parasites clinging to their pointless jobs? Or the Liberal legend Joe Fontana?
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Well I’m sure they’ll change the status quo that favors them this time.
Not holding my breath
I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn’t have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
I strongly support mandatory voting. If you’re against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I’m no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn’t be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
If we had ranked choice or some other system, dems and repubs would both lose to third parties that actually represent the people
I’m not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
There’s hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.
In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.
https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg
Canada’s main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/
Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.
As an unfortunate USian, I get a small panic attack any time the red option is shown as the winner of an election. Good on Y’all for not catching too much of our crazy.
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Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!
I am a fan. I have joy.
PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?
Yes, that’s where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?
Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect
Are you young?
The whole saga of how the modern CPC came to fruition was such a back stabby shitshow
I’ve been voting for 20 years, but follow US politics more than up here. I just know green/liberal/ndp would really benefit from any voting method that’s not fptp, and would enjoy a split on the right as well.
It all started that day Day road up on that seadoo…
Actually I’ll never forget Air Farce lampooning Preston Manning, good times.
They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.
So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.
The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).
Whoever the conservatives choose as parliamentary leader can defer it to him according to CBC, so he shouldn’t have to move out.
I wish he’d try working a real job for once in his life.
But realistically, if he we’re going to step down willingly it would have occurred last night. We’ll see if the party sacrifices another MP to let him stay on. Fucking guy.
The latter. This ghoul is not going away.
Well done.
Please let Dutton (also, Voldemort, Potatohead etc, Australian conservative leader) be next :)
It got closer overnight.
It’s beautiful
Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
I mean, the whole reason this happened is they stomped down themselves, with the US power.
I think “stomping down” is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family… Asking them “how do I change your mind” or “what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side” has shown me some people can’t be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I’m super happy.
No. I said what I said. These people are pure evil. They are the new Nazi party.
Stomping down is the right phrase. Americans should have been making MAGAs afraid to leave their houses the past four years.
The ones that can’t be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn’t work.
Yes. This is sadly the case. Nothing else will work. You have to yell at them and harass them. Call them stupid children. Stop doing any form of business with them. For fucks sake, if they are family members cut them out of your life and tell them exactly why you are doing it.
This is the only way you could possibly reform them.
It’s sad to see how many times I’ve seen dehumanising being up voted recently.
Human rights apply even to the worst criminals.
While this is true, I don’t think advocating of “punching fascists” is on a policy level, but rather an individual one.
Why would ask a trans individual to respect the “human rights” of someone that doesn’t even see them as human?
What’s the unpunched fascist versus punched fascist to normal person conversion rate?
I wish I could tell you, but I failed all my fascism math courses.
Didn’t most we all
Irrelevant. It’s not about changing their mind. It’s about making them afraid to spread their bullshit.
Ohhh
Bro/gurll why has nobody ever explained that on here, OK OK I’m the last one to know nvm haha
Thank you!
Holy shit I thought Reddit leaking into the fediverse was a problem, I hadn’t yet considered 4chan
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That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don’t stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?
Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.
I’m curious why you’re being down voted so hard.
I’m also curious how I would “stomp down” my family member to not love everything trump does. We’re both Canadian and they haven’t been to the us in my life time…
To me, there’s no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can’t change someone’s mind then I don’t know what will.
Cut them out of your life until they change their ways.
I have seen them cry about relatives doing it.
Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it’s easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they’re literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I’m sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you’re a nazi sympathizer.
Yea. Fuckers are saying “stomp them down seems harsh”, “maybe he doesn’t mean that”.
STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches. These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps … it is a one way trip.
Destroy the Canadian “MAGA” movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing. Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.
Genuinely curious if this isn’t like curb stomping we’re talking about, a metaphorical kind, etc.?
Be careful, dehumanizing your opposition is Nazi shit. I agree they must be stopped but surely some percentage can be deprogrammed.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all but just because they’re not following the laws doesn’t mean we can or should ignore the laws. I’m all for letting trump die in the same hole they’re sending the kids to. I also think he should have never been voted in and they need to arrest him months ago.
The MAGA people in general are a problem but they’re not THE problem. If you think they all should be “Stomped down” you’re just as bad as they are, just on a different side.
We need to support and educate people around this and as long as they’re not violent or breaking any laws then there’s nothing that we can really do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and freedom. Just because you disagree with it, regardless of the side you’re on, doesn’t mean we can or should stomp them down.
Let me get this out of the way. We are 100% in agreement or at least 99%. But I don’t think you understand, a large portion of these people ARE the problem. These people couldn’t give a flying fuck about education, that’s why they voted for people to dismantle the education system.
Look, if there still isn’t something you’re getting, it’s probably because you don’t have the bigger picture. The very same “innocent people” you talk about are cheering this on in the US. Don’t assume people’s intentions based on your own.
You’re not talking to an extremist, but someone who has tried to love and educate these people for years. It’s just not working because they already know what they stand for.
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Well, what would change your mind and have you vote conservative?
Having the conservatives stop trying to harm and kill people would be a start.
But that’s the point. Conservatism is the opposite of progress.
My main points are free health care, dont ruin the earth, and minimum wage should be able to afford a life if they work 40 hours a week.
I don’t care the title or label of the party. Show me the person running who is kind, well spoken, and wants these three things and I’ll vote for them.
what would change your mind and have you vote conservative
The cons would have to ditch their main tenets: bootstraps, mercenary healthcare, hating teh geys, hating the ‘ethnics’(my drunkard uncle’s words) … so, yeah: hate. They’d have to ditch hate and smarmy elitism.
An electoral reform wouldn’t hurt.
Your comment is exactly why electoral reform can’t happen now. When all of the people pushing for changes in the elections really just want to make it so their party will win (or some other party will lose), it’s obvious to everyone the push for electoral reform isn’t being done in good faith, so it’s not all that different from vote rigging.
It’s possible that the CPC might split and if that were to happen, then there might be a broad support for electoral reform. Unless that happens, it’s just a bunch of lefties trying to rig the system so the Conservatives can’t win.
And trust me I’m no Conservative, I can just understand what electoral reform sounds like to anyone outside of the lefty bubble.
Also proportional representation is just straight up a bad system. It only looks good from the perspective of a spreadsheet, it’s terrible when you consider power dynamics. But that shitty system is constantly sucking up all of the attention so people pushing for electoral reform are pushing for a system most people don’t want. Stop trying to make proportional representation happen in Canada, it’s not going to happen.
This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of “elect whoever wasn’t running things when everything got worse”. I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren’t all killed by the usual “strategic voting” nonsense.
I really think it’s Canada’s best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I’d really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I’ve ever seen.
The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I’ll wear Government Specs .
IMHO, a minority-red gov is a best-case for us.
As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly
immigratingemigrating there) that’s what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn’t too far from Trump’s current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn’t have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada’s next big election.My hope is that the CPC* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won’t be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won’t learn shit.
(Edit: CPC, not UCP)
Sorry for pedantry but I only mention it in case you’re serious about the move you might end up using the words a lot - in this case you might like the word “emigrate” to describe what you’ll be doing as from your current position you would be describing the action from the “leaving” perspective more than the arriving.
You’re good mate. I actually thought what I wrote seemed wrong when I did it, but I was needing to do something and fired it off without double checking. Thanks.
Awesome, good luck if you do move! I’m an American living abroad (China) and it’s always interesting. Cheers.
The only stomping I want is Stomping Tom Conners
edit: and STOMP
How do you defeat the Music Man who was basically a con man? I wondered about what they sounded like and looked them up to see if they used hypnosis and con man techniques like Trump. Nope, just basic con man tactics.
Canada is not the United States. Not to say we don’t have our share of problems, but saying that a political flyweight like Petey Rockhare is some sort of Trump is weirdly unfair to both
It’s not about the individual politicians at this stage. It’s about nurturing a certain sentiment until a really popular person comes along and sweeps up a majority. Source: I’m from the US.
I know nothing about canadian politics, but Fanjoy looks like he is having a lot of fun and joy. 😺
To give a bit of context. The person in second, Pierre Poilievre, is the leader of the Conservative party and campaigned for Prime Minister of Canada. Canadians don’t vote directly for Prime Minister. The country is divided into a few hundred ridings and each riding gets to elect a Member of Parliament. The party with the most MPs gets to form government, and their leader becomes the Prime Minister.
Not only has Poilievre failed to win enough seats for the Conservative party to form government, he might not even win his own seat. A seat he has held for 20 years. It would be embarrassing for him and hilarious for all the Canadians that think he’s a dickhead.
Thanks for clarification!
not even win his own seat
As in he won’t be elected as a member of parliament because not enough people voted for him in his region?
He wasn’t elected.
Results are in.
Bro for real?!
CBC shows P.P. as defeated.
Singh also was defeated.
The co-leader of Green too. Jonathan. May still held hers.
Oh an Maxime didn’t get a seat either :)
A little sad about Singh, but c’est la vie.
Greens: well that’s a result.
Fuckin perfect that Maxime didn’t get a seat AGAIN.
I think it was Singh’s time TBH. He brought the NDP as far as he could. Hopefully the new leader will do better.
So, Canadians did want change.
Well you could say they didn’t want the kind of change where the whole country gets gutted and sold for parts.
Relief / amusement / congratulations
Read that in Mass Effect Elcor voice. Sorry lol.
Correct, but it’s not uncommon for party leaders to evict someone else from their party who did win in order to have a seat
Lol, so you can have a number of fake members who get elected so you always get people that you like in parliament?
I think the actual mechanism is that a Conservative member in a safe riding (very unlikely to lose to another party) would step down, triggering a by-election, and the party leader would run as the new Conservative candidate.
There’s a chance he would lose again
Exactly!
I’d say I’m a fan of his.
Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don’t have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world’s ills to “wokeness,” but I’m not holding my breath.
Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader
