Children of the victims had to take Gilbert, their beloved golden retriever, to be put down, the chair of the DNC claimed.

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    Republicans sure love shooting dogs. I thought Trump would just pardon the guy. Now I think he’ll nominated him to a cabinet position too.

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      They actually love dogs a lot. They adore simple minds that give unconditional love. They’re not mindless monsters with different axioms, they’re just dumb as fuck. And we could absolutely use this to change narratives in this country if we understood it better.

      Cops in the US murder around 10,000 dogs a year one study estimates, but the figure might be much higher, because it’s not surprisingly hard to get data on something that police turn off their body cameras for or deny releasing to any outside agency.

      Basically, if you own a dog, and you let a cop into your house, if they bark at the cop the cop will likely shoot the dog in front of you and carry on like nothing happened and you have no right to do anything, as the threat stands pretty strong in the air over the sounds of your dog’s last breaths. If more people released videos of this happening, I think we could push police overhaul with far, far more success than we had with BLM.

      And if you’re reading between the lines and saying “wow he’s saying that the right cares more about the lives of dogs than black kids” yeah that is what I’m saying. No, we can’t change it. But I think if we worked with those primitive feelings at front and center, we could make a lot more progress in turning them little by little.

      edit: as you predictably recoil at this and feel dismissive and offended at the idea that conservatives love dogs and we need to leverage that as another tool to change how they feel, try to ask yourself if you’re reflexively angry here because you think they’re incapable of love and human feelings. If they’ve been dehumanized for you, congratulations, you’re sliding down the same path you’ve seen and condemned in others countless times before. Your enemy is human, they have human feelings. The difference is how they manage those feelings and the stories they tell themselves to explain those feelings. If you think understanding someone is the same as defending their actions and choices, you’re flat out stupid and deserve whatever misery you’re likely swimming in.

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        They actually love dogs a lot.

        Despite all evidence to the contrary, you have quite the conviction. Quite the dedication to defending a terrorist

        Boelton shot their family dog after murdering both parents. Kristi Noem murdered her family dog because she didn’t want to train it and was promoted to a high level cabinet position

        Police, by your own admission, kill many family dogs. Police also heavily skew conservative

        In spite of all that you think this administration and its followers love dogs?

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        I’m afraid I must disagree. The right, in general, don’t care for dogs any more than they care for any other livestock. There are exceptions, of course, but in general they care about them as tools. Guard dogs, hunting dogs, great, but if that hunting dog misbehaves, they have no problem taking it straight to the gravel pit like Kristi Noem did. You even point out in your post that cops in the US shoot dogs at a mind boggling rate. Well, those cops are predominantly aligned with the right, are they not?

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          They may not have deep, intellectual compassion, but they have human feelings, and I can EASILY dig up thousands of facebook groups of right-wing dog lovers and their products, of people who have unparalleled love for guns, trump and dogs.

          See, where you’re having a disconnect is the normal, human response to seeing behavior that runs against their own feelings. You’re encountering cognitive dissonance, and sorry to say once you start seeing it, you can’t stop seeing it and learn it’s fundamental to the human condition. Nobody is immune but some fall into it far more easily.

          The cops that shoot dogs? Probably have their own dogs that they cherish. The people who scream and cry about how we need to deport immigrants? They would fight tooth-and-nail to keep their groundskeeper from being deported because “he’s a good guy and has a family.” The ones who want to see women die from miscarriages? They’ll drive their daughter over state-lines and pay for HER abortion. You see this everywhere. They voted on grocery prices… ask them how they feel about the price of eggs and poultry right now and you’ll get a dumb stare and a shifting goalpost, because those feelings were then, these new feelings are now.

          And they do this all without a shred of self-awareness. I think we will fight the right a lot better when we understand that they’re not people who think the same way as we do. They aren’t aware of “punching down” or power structures, all they’re aware of is “punching” and cannot, will not EVER be able to separate themselves from their limited scope of “this is how I feel right now.” And this is also why this kind of mentality has been so successfully roped in by con-men who appeal to people’s selfish feelings.

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    Of course he did, he’s a Republican psychopath. They don’t understand why people have pets.

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      What a stupid, reactionary comment. Literally Hitler loved dogs. Compassion for animals doesn’t mean you aren’t a massive peace of shit that deserves death.

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        Pretty sure this has more to do with the fact that the current GOP has one Kristi Noem that killed her dog because it annoyed her. Try to keep up.

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        Don’t forget, Hitler loved children, too. He’s such a misunderstood guy, just because he supported genocide. He was a lot more complicated than that. /S

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        Hitler was a sociopath. He understood that other people liked dogs, and used it as a smoke screen to make himself seem more neurotypical. Nobody likes a freak at the eugenics party.

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            I prefer audiobooks.

            As a welder, I don’t really need my ears to do my job, so that frees me up to listen to stories at work. It’s great. It’s like a movie playing in my head while I zone out.

            There’s also something very addicting about zoning out while holding something hotter than the surface of the sun in your hand, all casually and shit.

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        It’s so fucking infuriating…

        The guy apparently had some no kings fliers so they’re sticking to that and saying he was a “Marxist that was mad the Democrats aren’t voting the way he wants”

        …so… Democrats are simultaneously Marxist leftist all the time, and not Marxists so this guy needs to kill them… Right…

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          Like the antifa j6 rioters… Just stop trying before you hurt your brain. Watching them talk about he’s a political appointee of the DNC bc he volunteers for some kind of outreach org or something? I caught a fox news clip, swallowed my vomit, and turned it off before I could hear more of their bullshit.

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          From what I can tell, the ‘No kings’ flyers were posted by one Twitter account that regularly posts unverified news.

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            I read an AP article that mentioned them so I really hope they aren’t relying on some douchebag on Twitter for their info too :/

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          Bro look at the flyers the cops totally found in this dude’s vehicle. Completely legit, not planted by the police flyers. Yup.

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    Here’s a guy who killed two prominent people, shot two more, and a rescue dog.

    I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.

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      I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.

      Luigi, or whoever actually did it, had the decency not to harm anyone’s family or pets. This motherfucker deserves far worse.

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        Luigi actually saved lives though. The assassination of Brian Thompson was a stated symbolic protest against insurance practices that deny life‑saving care intended to spotlight and stop those denials. His act sparked intense public outrage media attention regulatory scrutiny and investor backlash which pressured UnitedHealth to soften its claim‑denial practices and approve more life‑saving care. That shift led to higher costs. Lower profits triggered the largest one‑day stock drop in 25 years and prompted a class‑action lawsuit by investors.

        Luigi set out to right actual wrong and literally saved lives in the process

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-investors-lawsuit-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione/

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          It’s simpler than that. Someone (not Luigi) stopped a Corporate Serial Killer that was responsible for the deaths and suffering of millions of people in the past, and millions in the future. Whoever killed him acted in defense of others, and is not guilty of murder. He should get a medal.

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        I agree. But on the other hand, it seems like they’ve gone above and beyond “normal” in their approach to Luigi. I wanna see this MAGAt perp-walked in full shackles like they did Luigi.

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          He didn’t do the crime, but he is a hero going to be martyred for it anyway.

          FTFY. His heroism isn’t due to the fact that he did it; It’s due to the fact that he’s obviously being railroaded, and has decided to fight like hell instead of simply accepting it.

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      I read this story hours ago and it’s stuck with me all day. It’s one thing to be mad at those you feel wronged you; harming an innocent (human or animal) is so despicable it’s inexcusable. I bet that Golden was among the purest best boys on Earth (they all are).

      It’s a good thing I’m not in charge of this pos’ confinement, otherwise he might accidentally find me busy tying my shoe while he’s breaking his neck and dying a slow, excrutiiatingly painful death.

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    I’ve heard he was a big Trump fan and now I see he’s a maga madman, at what point was his political alignment ascertained? Does someone have an article they could point me to? Particularly one from a source that couldn’t be easily construed as biased if I were to share with a right winger?

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    It’s fucked up, but there will be people more upset that he shot a dog than that he shot four people, killing two of them.

    Edit: are you downvoting me because you think I’m wrong or because you think I’m right?

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      You brought no proof that people care more for the dog. It’s just a nonsense post looking to talk shit about people.

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        There are people in this thread who are confirming that people care more for the dog. If you think those people don’t exist, I’m not going to have to provide proof. You’ll see it in the coming days and weeks.

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      It just depends on what perspective you choose. Obviously human life is more significant than dog lives, but a lot of people see dogs similar to children. A life of love and innocence that does not deserve to know violence. It’s not so much comparing the value of lives but the value of innocence.

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      Animals don’t understand our language, they don’t understand our actions and they don’t know the consequences… So the US citizens have had so damn much time to defend democracy… but they only started when fascism was enforced and it was really already foreseeable where it would end… With flowers against batons, tear gas, weapons in general. As soon as the Republicans start the large-scale purge it will.
      With flowers against assault rifles, tanks, etc. So my sympathy is very limited.

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      Personally, I’m not sure what the point of this statement is. It’s not about whether or not it’s right or wrong. Let’s just for the sake of argument, assume that it’s objectively correct. So what? How is saying this, or identifying generically that some people inevitably have their priorities mixed up, a meaningful contribution to the topic?

      At best it comes across as cynical. And then you’re thinking “it’s not cynical if it’s true”… But we’re all thinking that it’s cynical because it lacks pointed meaning.

      It’s like a teenager got on the Internet, read something, missed the point entirely and instead says “but what about this indirect incorrectness thing that is otherwise unrelated” for no reason other than to be edgy or sound smart.

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        So what?

        So it’s fucked up. Four people were shot by a terrorist, two of them have died, and there are a significant number of people who didn’t care until they learned a dog was also killed. That’s fucked up, not because people care about a dog, but that they didn’t care about the people.

        Frankly I didn’t expect saying so to be met with such hostility. That bothers me almost as much as the lack of respect for human life.

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          So it’s fucked up.

          Ok and? It’s clear you don’t even know what your own point is. That’s why you get down voted.

          That bothers me almost as much as the lack of respect for human life.

          Sounds like work for your therapist.