Edit: good to see I woke the shills
He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator
Freedom for me, chains for you. They don’t actually care about real freedom.
They are sure the Leopard will never eat their face.
Yup. They think Daddy Trump is going lock up all the liberals and create a
facistconservative paradise.
They love the freedom to own slaves and stuff like that
You’d think after he didn’t pardon the people in person that stormed the Capitol they’d smarten up. If that didn’t open their eyes, nothing will.
Why didn’t he pardon everyone who committed crimes for him? Is there a good reason?
Because he doesn’t care about anyone but himself. If you gave that dude an organ he’d ghost you.
Right, but if he wants people to break the law for him, pardoning everyone who does makes sense
Why? They did it without the pardoning, and he walked away with his hands “clean” by not acknowledging what they did.
Personally I think it’s funny seeing these people get time in prison, screaming for Trump to acknowledge them and pardon them lol.
He didn’t want the folks who would pay him to suddenly believe they didn’t have to pay, or be ticked off that they were having to pay (remember, rich folks can get snippy). I can’t remember the number that was floated, but it wasn’t cheap.
He believes they are supposed to go to jail for him to prove their loyalty. He really thinks he’s a mob boss or something
Hey, as long as they can stick it to the libs
There are several different groups supporting him for different reasons. The biggest, I’d argue, is the slightly right very populist. They’re not into fascism per se, they just want a wrecking ball like Trump to go in and break apart the elite institutions they blame for all the problems and see no other way of influencing. There certainly are supporters who are encroaching on fascism territory. Then there’s long time Republicans who have flipped on a bunch of issues to try to get support from these people Trump activated.
Fascism is a president trying to take away constitutional rights like genocide Joe is with the second amendment and limiting gun rights. Trump has already said he won’t get involved in any foreign conflicts, which is far better than funding Israels genocide.
Just ask yourself who you’re going to have more rights under Trump or Biden, then you’ll see who the fascist dictator is.
It’s Trump. He’s essentially already said he wants to be a dictator. He’s started calling his opponents “vermin”, he’s stated on the record that he’s going to deploy the army on day 1 of his reelection to suppress any dissenters.
It’s not subtle
He’s going to destroy America so he can keep being the center of attention and make it illegal to disagree with him
He’s going to exchange love letters with Kim Jong Un again, isn’t he?
There’s a certain document called the constitution that gives Americans the right to assemble and to free speech that not even the president can fuck with.
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
You’re honestly following too much left wing media, a more balanced approach to how you consume news will open your eyes up to what factors you need to consider before voting next year.
following too much left wing media
I’m referring to things that Donald Trump has actually said openly on camera. It’s literally all he talks about. It has nothing to do with who’s reporting it, these are the actual words Trump has said.
I’m not particularly a leftist, I consider myself to be a centrist. I don’t particularly love Joe Biden. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go out and vote for a cartoon super villain though
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
For funsies, in the same statement (iirc), trump said their “sad, miserable existence will be crushed.” But you’re right, nothing to worry about /s
My balanced sources say Biden has so far been significantly better than Trump ever was
Wait… so the Constitution will stop Trump from enacting his fascist agenda but it won’t stop Biden from taking away The Precious?
Haha, you think presidents can’t change constitutional laws.
The great constitutional rights of living in a country where schools have to debate whether to run active shooter drills.
Man, even disregarding the whole gun control debate Trump isn’t pro-gun, the suckers just believe what they want to about him.
But sure, Biden is the anti-second amendment guy. People like the person above are just fools.
“Noo that’s different he means black people!” - that guy, probably
That was Reagan as CA governor when he cracked down with gun laws due to Black Panthers protesting while armed.
There is no debate, they do run them.
And I want to be perfectly clear and say THEY SHOULDN’T NEED THEM. OH MY GOD IT HURTS.
Trump hasn’t said the truth about one thing his entire life.
Ok. I will. This is Biden’s plan, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Weird, because that article talks a lot about Trump.
In fairness, it’s not Trump’s plan, either, it’s Heritage’s. They’re doing it for Trump, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump has never even heard of it. Lol
He’s had meetings with Heritage on how to implement the plan. They are already in the process of lining up his appointees so that they can hit the ground running. You are badly misinformed as to how far this has already gone.
With Trump him sitting in meetings still doesn’t mean he’s heard of it. Lol.
Anyway, I’m just saying Heritage is the mastermind, not Trump.
I will have more rights under Biden. There’s more to rights than guns. Like as a gay man if I lose my right to exist, that’s a bit harsher than my right to own something.
Trivia question: Which politician has proposed “suspending the constitution” in recent years?
Hint: It’s the same politician that said "take the guns first, go through due process second.”
Another hint: Trump said both those things.
Never had a president actually affect my day to day life before. It was wild, No thanks to that ever again
Are you talking about covid or am I missing something?
Many people downvoted without replying anything wtf?
Weird. I guess people thought I was defending Trump?
There’s no defense for either side of the aisle. Good fash, bad fash afab.
I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.
Dude. I hate emojis here, but all I can say is
🤦♀️
E: no, there’s more I can say. Start with these lists:
What Biden Has Done – Year One
What Biden Has Done – Year Two
What Biden Has Done – Year Three
And then get back to us about how voting blue doesn’t help. Christ.
It’s too bad that not giving weapons to a genocidal government is not on one of those lists.
I will never vote for anyone not currently involved in calling for a cease fire ever again.
Not that it matters though, support for Biden has fallen to single digits among Muslims in the swing States, whose numbers are required to win those swing States.
If stopping Trump was so important, why did Biden through it all away to support a genocide?
How old are you?
There’s literally never been a good position on the fucking decades long Israel conflict that will please people. Most people smart and/or old enough know to stay the fuck out of it. It’s a meme, for fuck’s sake. There was a Rick and Morty episode about it several years ago, that’s how much of a meme it is now.
If you’re judging Biden by that, you’re obviously too young to remember the last time this volcano of shit erupted. Maybe look at other issues that impact American’s lives that don’t have to do with inane fantasies about Armageddon.
I’m forty fucking five. I want us to stay out of it. It’s our tax dollars that are paying for the weapons being used. This conflict exists BECAUSE we don’t stay out of it. If we did, Israel would have had to actually negotiate in good faith decades ago. You are directly paying to enact a genocide, because our current president is unwilling to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
Reagan stopped Israel bombing in twenty minutes with a single phone call. (Not that Reagan is a good person, just that the capability exists for Biden, he just chooses not to use it.)
I do remember Operation Cast Lead. I’m willing to bet that you didn’t even know the name of the last time it erupted. You’re so ignorant that you view actual knowledge and lived experience as ignorance, because you’re so ignorant you don’t know how ignorant you are.
Finally, this is not inane you fucking moron, you have no knowledge of foreign policy, and this very easily could erupt into a wider regional war that turns into WW3.
P.S. It doesn’t matter what I think you fucking blood thirsty child murder justifying fuck, What matters is that a large enough percentage of voters in the mid-west swing states to be required for a Democratic win are Muslim. They correctly see Biden’s actions as enabling a genocide against a people they identify with. As a result, their support has dropped down to single digit support.
Every other normally Democratic voter that wasn’t Muslim could choose to vote for Biden, and he would still lose due to actions that would have been possible for someone as idiotic as yourself to predict. The Biden administration has done it to themselves.
I’m old enough to remember when democrats pointed out how horrible george w bush was while he was president (and rightfully so), but have only sucked his dick since then. Sorry, I don’t trust democrats to save a goddamn thing. Your padded and fluffed up lists don’t change that. I’ll continue voting for democrats down the entire ballot every single election, but I’m not stupid enough to think it will change anything.
Wait, are you saying democrats have sucked Bush’s dick? I must be misunderstanding what you’re saying, because that’s ludicrous.
I haven’t padded or fluffed anything. I’m very critical of all politicians, but I’m also realistic in what can be accomplished within the system we have. I don’t love democrats, and in my ideal world we’d have a better system.
But I will not allow fascism to grow in the bed of misguided discontent, which is literally what you’re doing.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157607/democrats-keep-embracing-george-w-bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dojOO3VZ4Jc
As for your lists, all it takes is a glance to immediately see the padding and fluff. For example, there are multiple lines dedicated to student loan forgiveness which is hilarious, seeing as Biden was a key figure in creating the student loan crisis in the first place:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/
So while he can brag about a few billions here and there freed up by enforcing rules that already existed, the student loan problem is now around $1.7 trillion and none of his policies address the loans that are currently being taken nor the loans being taken out in the future. In other words, he’s not solving the problem, not even ones he helped create himself. That’s really democrats in a nutshell: play along with republicans to create problems and then present themselves as “the thin blue line” that protects us by providing minor relief. One step forward and five steps back means you’re still going backward.
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Trump would never kill the Jews. Not because he cares about them at all (in fact, if it were profitable for him, he absolutely would), but his biggest supporters are evangelicals who need the Jews to be in control of the region in order to bring on their Armageddon.
I am not kidding:
Prophetic Anticipation Builds: Unblemished Red Heifers for Temple Ceremony Soon Come of Age
There are tons of articles like that from evangelical groups. They legitimately think this is the end times, and they’re happy to see all of us burn for it. They publicly say climate change isn’t real, but privately they say it’s ordained and a sign of the apocalypse. They’re against people doing anything about it, and there are Dominionists in Congress and the Supreme Court. They’re going to kill us all if they can.
You literally didn’t read a goddamn thing I said.
It doesn’t matter who I vote for.
Arab-Americans form a large population in the mid-west swing states. This is a known fact.
They are a requisite component for the coalition that allows the Democratic party to win presidential elections in the mid-west swing states. This is also a known fact.
It requires very little intuition to know that Arab-Americans will react negatively to a person who approves of and enables the genocide of a civilian population group that they identify with.
That is what happened. Support has dropped for Biden among Arab-Americans in the swing states to a single digit.
Every other typically Democratic voting demographic group could vote the same as they normally do, and Biden would lose due to loss of a key member of the swing state coalition.
Biden took that action, knowing it would likely blow up his Arab-American support so that he could give weapons and support to a group that has so far killed at least 5000 children. If you sort them in order of age, it takes six pages to get to a child older than 0. That was what he was willing to destroy his chances of getting re-elected for.
I’m not arguing that anyone should vote, or not vote for Biden. I’m saying that a win is now impossible due to his administrations actions regardless of what I, individually, do. If you want to be angry about Trump becoming a fucking dictator, be mad at the person who made it a certainty so he could help kill 5000 children.
Unfortunately in our current election system, voting for the lesser evil is what we have to do.
Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote strategically in the end. So is the curse of our first past the post voting system.
And do what you can to help get the people who want to do positive change in your local elections into office. The only path to ranked choice voting is getting enough support in the states, there’s very little chance we’ll get it on the national stage without it becoming a reality on the state level.
Have you tried taking a loan out on anything lately? Minimum 8% interest rate for someone with the best credit score imaginable. I know doctors and engineers who refuse to buy a house right now because we had an incompetent senior citizen decide to hand out free money several times when the country was shut down and burn money on pointless foreign conflicts that we have absolutely no business being in. This country was prospering when Trump was in office and it will when he’s reelected next year.
What? Trump handed out more stimulus checks than Biden. Then there was the whole pay day loan fiasco that was rampant with corruption and fraud with absolutely no oversight.
Did you read through those lists?
That’s a seriously myopic response.
I did, and it’s just a list of him spending exorbitant amounts of tax payer money on the most random infrastructure projects. Bidens like the grandparent who goes out of their way to spoil their grandkids, there’s nothing wrong with it up to a certain limit, but if we just let them be in charge of our finances we’re all screwed. A Republican presidency is necessary to balance out the overspending of a liberal socialist president.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
Donald trump ran the third biggest deficit in US history. Put your money where your mouth is.
You obviously didn’t, if you’re still spouting trump’s talking points.
Or you actively want fascism, since he’s dropped the mask, finally. So which is it – are you being wilfully ignorant, or ready to be an open fascist? He’s making his stance perfectly clear. We can all see it now.
If you’re still willing to defend that… I want to say I pity you, but I can’t. Fascism will lose, hard this time. We’re onto it. We see it for what it is.
I’m simply a centrist constitutionalist, which is the farthest thing from a fascist.
I’m not going to vote for a president that consistently attacks my right to bear arms with a new law anytime a mass shooting pops off.
And I’m not willing to vote for a president that keeps on funding Israels genocide on Palestinians. Trump has already said he wouldn’t get involved in any foreign conflicts which is much more than Biden has done thus far.
Interest rates are high because of inflation. It’s high in Europe as well.
Do you know the number one reason inflation is high? It rhymes with “Shmutin invading Ukraine”.
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Wat
His brain. He is wracking it.
Is it difficult to live every day with a mental illness?
Heh. And you’re not deplorable! What a lovely assumption, but if someone had say, GAD, surely this is the reply to make them vote for the covertly fascist over the overtly fascist party. If someone had mpd, bpd, surely this is the answer to turn away the wrath and violence of j6ers.
I’m sorry you’re so devoid of imagination, you can’t imagine establishment D with zero personality won’t lose to the cult of evil personality, not imagine a viable solution.
I wish you peace and healing.
When Trump was president we couldn’t leave our houses because of COVID. We had riots in some cities. He was separating children from their parents at the border.
For me specifically things were going so bad at my company that we had daily meetings just to talk about how shitty things were in the world. They told us to do as much work as we could but it’s understandable if you can’t concentrate.i have never experienced that before In my life. That’s what I don’t want ever again.
Maybe things were fine for you but that shit sucked for me.
I’ll be honest, unless you were in a special circumstance, that sounds like a you problem not a Trump problem. I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for him, but for most people he did not affect their day to day that much. 2020 was the peak of actual influence on daily life, but I don’t think that had as much to do with Trump as people imply, either. The whole world got Covid. The US had a bit more deaths per capita than the rest of the developed world (less than UK) but it also has a less healthy population in general.
I think we all sort of trained each other to fixate on the president and be anxious if they’re not on our team.
Not gonna lie, being a nurse during a pandemic with that jackass as president broke something in me
“Thank you for your hard work!”
(But actually thanks, nurses are the best. How can we make your day better next time we’re in the hospital for something completely our own fault?)
At least he did Operation Warpspeed. Funny that some of his supporters turned on him for that.
Great skills, giving a tiny fraction of the budget to vaccine research during a global pandemic that halted the economy. I’m sure no one else would have thought of that.
It wasn’t the giving money, it was the fast tracking in terms of regulations. Many people in Trump’s position would not have done that and would have waited the expected 18 months instead of the 11 that it actually took. Some in the industry were concerned as it was happening. Plenty of other countries dragged their feet in the approval process more than the US did.
Trump wasn’t single handedly responsible for the approvals. Far from it. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t know much of the details. But it still seems he was pushing for it where other people wouldn’t have. I’m not sure Biden would have. Trump likes to play fast and loose where Biden is a bit stuffier.
I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.
You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.
We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.
If you think voting for literal idiots is an American thing you really haven’t been paying attention.
Boris Johnson, Victor Orban, …
Milorad Dodik (more like No-dick), even
Trump really beats all those examples.
Rage bait
Def. But the xenophobia and superiority complex on lemmy is outta pocket, tbh.
I see this take often and I see the same kinds of responses, but it’s really upsetting to see the main culprit is never mentioned.
Yes, some of us are just hateful, but most of the people voting for Trump are exposed to and consume wayyyyy too much propaganda.
Our media has failed us in sooooo many ways all to chase the Almighty Dollar™. We have literal entertainment networks masquerading as “News” because they’re allowed to act however they wish. We have actual “news” corporations acting like entertainment. We have Fox News and Newsmax straight up fabricating a reality for their consumers that is almost exactly the opposite of reality, and then we have CNN, MSNBC, etc, that would rather follow The Days Of Our Trumps T.V drama as opposed to actually doing hard news.
We have 1/3 of our population living in a fantasy reality, 1/3 being made to be enraged about an orange man’s dumb tweet instead of learning about potentially good candidates to vote for, and 1/3 that’s just apathetic to it all.
We have a gigantic media propaganda problem… We have no real press that the 1st amendment was made to protect, instead we have corporations that are taking advantage of those protections to do whatever they want to make the most money, to hell with what happens to the country…
Edit: all that to say, the people that we see as “OMG how could you possibly vote for him again, are you a monster?” Think “Trump was the best president ever, every news show or podcast or Facebook interaction I have had or watched says as much and proves it.”
You should probably be aware that the cheeto never won a majority vote in America. Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
Along with that a good chunk, possibly majority of Americans is already more decent than you because we don’t use dehumanizing insults like the R word.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
I think you would be surprised at how little power Americans actually have to affect change in our government. Short of dragging our knuckles and starting some uprising like his goons did, change can’t happen, and I’m not one to resort to that. I’d sooner head to Canada or Mexico.
It’s hilarious for all the “democracy” the US loves to “export”, it actually has a pretty terrible democracy. Wildly popular policies have no way to make their way to the government unless a rich person or corporation also lobbies for it.
Change would happen if 74 million Americans would grow a second brain cell and stop voting republican. If democrats were the only party winning elections, people would be more willing to participate in primaries or vote for a third party
Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
The biggest fixable issue is the whole thing where all electoral votes in most states go to one candidate. That is a thing that is fixable. Because that is a matter of state law. The problem being of course that most states don’t want to change that, because for most states it would mean less attention from presidential candidates because they’d be playing less of a role in determining who wins (by being worth a smaller, harder to shift margin). Convince every state to switch to the way Maine and Nebraska hand out electoral votes (2 based on statewide popular vote, one for each house districts vote - states get one elector for each member of Congress this assigns electors based on who would vote for that member of Congress) and the problem is mostly fixed (everything except not being able to win the presidency by just winning California and New York by large enough margins and having an average showing elsewhere). Importantly, it’s fixed in a way you don’t have to get most of the states to agree with all at once to make happen.
Abolishing the electoral college outright would require a constitutional amendment and those are intentionally very hard to do. An interstate compact to functionally eliminate it by getting 270 electoral votes worth of states to agree to assign their electors based on the national popular vote rather than anything at the state level is somewhat more doable but will also be legally challenged under the doctrine that the federal government is supposed to approve any interstate compact.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
Any judge that gives a fuck about the law and the Constitution is going to toss those out, as they are premature. He’s a fuckwit that’s awful in all kinds of ways, but he is still due due process. Arguing 14th Amendment Section 3 applies to Trump requires arguing he has engaged in insurrection or rebellion or given aid or comfort to an enemy. Which he probably did, but “probably” is not generally a standard we punish or restrict people over, nor do we do that without due process and the only process so far in this case is “has been investigated and formally accused”.
This is one of the reasons that the Trump legal teams first and highest goal is to delay. If they delay long enough they can argue that the courts are being used as a form of electoral interference and possibly give Trump an election boost, if they delay even longer and he wins they can argue executive immunity. Because that’s the path with the best odds for Trump - he’s much better at manipulating crowds than at lying to judges.
Once again pointing out that Trump never won the popular vote. Yes, we need to abolish the Electoral College. It favors the right wing unjustly and undermines the will of the people when it does not align with the popular vote.
Lots of people voted for him, yes. I’ll make the argument that things will actually get better as the folks whose cognitive abilities are negatively impacted by a century of burning leaded gasoline start to die off.
I believe it’s something like >95% of people born between 1945 and 1965 that have enough lead in their bodies to be cause for concern.Can’t remember exactly where I read this, but you can do your own Google-Fu.Striking those last couple sentences and just outright saying that over 90% of the entire population born between 1956 and 1976 were exposed to enough lead to raise medical concern in early childhood, according to the table below.
I’m also back to throw in the table/material I’m referencing. If I’m going to make assertions, I should back them up.
And the source: Half of US population exposed to adverse lead levels in early childhood
If you want some idea of how little we cared about lead exposure, just look up the Tar Creek Superfund Site., which turned three nearby populated areas into ghost towns. It’s been reported that children would play on the enormous mounds around Picher, Oklahoma, and those things were covered in lead dust.
It was always that bad, it was just better at hiding it in the past. Anyone who grows up poor has always known what’s up. There’s a reason the crooked rural sheriff meme exists… If it wasn’t for massive amounts of racism folks would probably recognize the same patterns in the cities.
It’s not new, it’s just that the dysfunction got so big that it started impacting the lives of white Liberals. Fuck, go read about native history in the US. They knew what was up from the beginning.
Britain did brexit and a bunch of other countries elected right wing nut jobs in response to globalization, not just the us
Should… Should we bring democracy to the US by invading them?
Fuck off with the “all Americans” garbage you fucking idiot. I don’t even care that it’s obviously bait, anyone who ever implies I voted for that can just end themselves for all I care. Suffering through this shit then being blamed by brainless retards
Liberals: we need drastic change
Also liberals: how dare someone step out of line
Huh?
Nope. There’s nothing special about Americans just like there’s nothing special about any nation or large group of people. You have to be deeply ignorant of history to think otherwise. We’re all the same species and when things play out in specific ways it’s always for a similar set of reasons and circumstances.
As Dan Carlin would say, “it’s a human thing.” You think this kind of insanity can’t happen in your country because it hasn’t yet. But you’re wrong. It can and has happened, many many times throughout history, in various forms, all over the world.
Again, Americans aren’t special and you have to be deeply stupid and/or ignorant to think otherwise.
Wouldn’t happen in my country. 🇨🇭
cough SVP cough
They are just farm boomers or paradenplatz bankdad boomers. They will disappear with time, I don’t worry to much.
Also : Direct democracy and no président.
Maybe not now, but that’s not the point. The point is that we’re all human beings and what history shows us again and again is that as a species we are capable of talking ourselves into group-level insanity.
There’s nothing about history that should lead anyone to imagine that the capacity for group-insanity is somehow unique to any so-called “race” or national identity.
If you really want to argue that Americans are somehow uniquely subject to such things, you then have to account for the fact that a plurality of Americans are directly descended from European ancestry which in turn means that any difference has to be cultural as opposed to some kind of genetic quality innate to Americans.
The upshot here is not that the US is somehow unique, but is rather that the US is precisely what happens when Europeans take over a brand new continent peopled by civilizations that lack the technology and microbiology to resist.
Again, this idea of yours, that Americans are somehow unique or special, is patently absurd given what we know of history.
I’m surprised Americans don’t wear padded helmets all the time, seeing as how much they ram their heads into walls.
Aww, bless your heart.
Look on the positive side, if he comes back for a second term there’ll probably be death camps so you’ll be killed and won’t have to remember when he becomes president for life.
Put me in a Trump run death camp. Me and all my new pals will be living better than most Americans in the new order within a week. For sure would rather be there than a part of Gilead.
Fascism is great for the supporters, at first. They get to steal tooth gold.
On one hand, I wonder what would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America. On the other hand, I read comments like yours and realize a lot of people are this dumb.
Oh? What did I say that is so dumb?
If you have to ask…
If you can’t say…
What would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America
The same exact things that made them disillusioned 6 years ago? Their life is getting worse at an accelerated pace and have been for many decades now. The “System” does not work for them and they are tired of pretending it does.
Despite ‘Bidenomics’ - we, the working class, are poorer now than we have ever been. Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust. Trump represents to them what Bernie represented to Democrats - actual change.
But it doesn’t really matter what I, or anyone else, says. You’ve already decided what you think about all of these people.
Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust.
This is fallacy. It may work to attract a certain type a voter but in practice Trump bends over backwards to appease the GOP. He lines his cabinet and campaign with GOP old guard and is set out to accomplish GOP policy goals. Not once in my interactions with any Trump supporters have they hinted at doing anything that wouldn’t be aligned with typical conservative ideology. Trump is the GOPs creation. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Under his orange eye, brother.
Say what you want about Trump but he was one of the presidents ever
Some things sure did happen
Here you dropped this: worst
I mean andrew jackson was big into genocide.
Yeah, Trump was big into genocide too, of the Yemenese. He personally vetoed a bipartisan resolution passed by congress to condemn the Saudis for their genocide in Yemen
But then we see the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel happening right now, and Biden not only enthusiastically reiterates his support for Israel but works to punishe anyone showing support and solidarity with the victims.
And that is why Biden is polling so low right now.
Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.
I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.
You can add without swapping
Anyone else’s brain autofill an adjective here?
Yes, and I was like “how the fuck do so many people actually agree with that!?” Then I realized by dumb brain added “best” lol
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I remember the shitshow. Like in general everywhere and at all times.
As someone from another side of the world 🌎 I have to say that it was quite funny. Like a memexplosion. Granted, he did fuck up everything possible, thus strengthened everyone else.
The only good thing he attempted was a TikTok ban. Should’ve been a short video ban
As someone on this side of the world, it was not funny at all.
no they’re right it was pretty funny
But “My Cartoon President” will come back, I can enjoy it until the apocalypse starts.
If there is an invisible hand, it needs to stop this. I’ll stop talking to anyone under the age of 28 ever again because if even one of you doesn’t vote I just cannot forgive.
why are the American people not fighting for a vote reform, to make voting on Sunday, like in every reasonable country?
Voting on Tuesdays is just designed to keep normal working people from voting.
How can you all be fine with that?
What the fuck! Whichever day you vote, is a public holiday in my country. All institutions are obliged to do so.
We Can barely hang on to the shitty voting system we have. I can almost never make it to polls (and often work Sundays) but I used to receive automatic mail in ballots. Now I need to apply for ballots early before each election and many politicians are fighting to make it harder and harder to do mail in. Women’s reproductive rights have back slid, internet freedoms have become restricted, vaccines are being required in schools and hospitals less not more. This guy is talking about progressive reforms and we are here just trying to dig fingernails into basic rights.
A lot of us aren’t fine with it. One side benefits when less people vote. Our government is absolute shit at getting things done because half of politicians elected want to hinder all progress.
We vote by mail in my state. I love it. Me and The Wife sit down at the kitchen table and fill out our ballots together and then pop them into the mail and that’s it. Granted, I live in a solidly blue state so my presidential vote basically doesn’t matter anyway.
So retail workers can’t vote because they work weekends? You’re gonna screw someone over regardless of what day you pick.
In my state we have a minimum of two weeks of early voting including some weekend hours. I’d support some increases, but it’s actually not that hard to vote if you just try.
under the age of 28 ?
It makes extra sense because it includes ages 0-17
I am still lost
They’re assuming (probably correctly) that a lot of people under 28 won’t vote, and that (probably less correctly) they’d vote Democrat if they did vote. So if Trump wins and they pass a random 28 year old on the street, they’re thinking there’s a good chance that person is partially responsible for Trump’s win.
Appreciate the clarification
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Ok that makes more sense thanks. 28 seemed very arbitrary but if the statistics say so…
I’ll be sure to cast a vote as soon as I feel like my vote matters.
Voter’s paradox
It always does though
America’s education system at work.
If you’re in a state that goes consistently one way or the other, it’s probably true that it doesn’t matter. For president, at least.
I often vote third party, and I feel very comfortable doing that because my state is very consistent.
I’m very much against voter nihilism regardless of the statistics. Regardless of if I’m getting steam rolled or not, I’m putting pen to paper and I want the record to show that someone didn’t agree with the mob - me, it was me. The US is a two party system and personally I think that sucks. You are definitely “throwing your vote away” by conventional wisdom in such a system, but if everyone thinks this way there is no hope for any traction or interest in advancing third parties - so I agree with this form of voter suicide.
Basically I think my vote matters even if it doesn’t matter, so I vote for people I actually want. Lol. If there was a race where I had a strong preference between the two main party candidates and I thought my vote would have an impact, I’d ditch the third party for that race.
Every vote matters, but you can’t expect it to matter more than someone elses.
Every vote matters. That’s why I vote third party. Lol
Local elections can be decided by a handful of votes. If you don’t think it matters who is in charge of the local government, you should read what happens when Libertarians take over.
So you’re shooting yourself in the foot. You and everyone else who seems to think the ballot begins and ends with voting for who is president.
Trump was and is a total shitshow. Anybody says otherwise is okay with his crapulence. It’s just a matter of who they hate.
He is polling above Biden in every single national poll somehow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 365, Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Americans have a really short memory.
This is not true. Boomer landline polls also had va going red and look how that worked out.
I think there’s a significant portion of the population that is unpollable and it’s really started to make things less certain.
Polls a year out from the election. They have zero predictive value with regard to the ultimate outcome. Any pollster will tell you this. In fact, they have been telling us precisely this, but maybe not all of us are paying attention.
These results are still deeply disturbing.
What happened to, “you can’t trust the polls”? And, “see, Hillary”?
Anyway…
It’s nuts how short people’s memory is. It was just a few years ago that yahoos were invading our nation’s Capitol and Trump was orchestrating a coup. Now Republicans are trying to convince everyone that wasn’t really a coup, and have you considered BLM and scary trans people? Meanwhile the Trump camp has their 900 page plan to efficiently make the federal government into a right wing arm of the Republican Party.
Guess if Dems didn’t want that they’d give another candidate a genuine shot, but ol’ Genocide Joe needs his legacy. This’ll be it.
Incumbents historically have a huge advantage, any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump. Most Americans are embarrassingly out of touch with politics
Especially a candidate with left wing politics. There’s a reason Democrats run center-left candidates for president once it gets to the general. Those are the ones that win.
any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump
The current candidate will get swept by Trump. Or have the polls changed recently?
Polls also had Hillary stomping tRump. Polls shouldn’t be trusted. Voting is the only thing that matters polls dont win elections voting does.
Yup, polls can’t account for something like an “October surprise”. In Hillary’s case in 2016, that was the James Comey letter that was leaked by Republicans Congress. It had the desired effect, with her poll numbers dropping virtually overnight. He rescinded the letter, but not fast enough to make a difference. This was all prompted by FBI agents in the NYC office who were leaking like a sieve to the press. So if you ever hear someone grouse about prosecutors supposedly interfering with elections because they are prosecuting Trump for his crimes, remind them that Trump got a whole presidential term out of FBI agents interfering for him.
Unfortunately, the time for a better candidate was last election cycle. Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
At this point, what advantage? He’s been polling worse than Trump. He’s more of an anchor than an engine now.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
With Dems there’s always an excuse to do nothing and hope really hard for vague change later.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit. Voting dem won’t fix issues, it will just prevent many more from cropping up. What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
I’m sure many people will be comforted by that when he loses.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit.
Read up on the Ratchet Effect.
What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
I too, like vague undefined concepts that obfuscate real potential solutions.
It’s not about comfort, voting harder won’t meaningfully improve anything, just prevent it from getting worse.
I’m aware of the ratchet effect.
Do you want me to list out every meaningful thing you can do to improve your life and the lives of others? Advocate, unionize, organize, volunteer, start a community garden, work at a soup kitchen, educate yourself and others, help someone in need, etc. It isn’t that complicated, really, and your denial of actually doing shit to help and instead whine about how Biden is a Neoliberal ghoul (which I agree with) and therefore can’t beat a fascist (I disagree with this) is absurd.
Republicans actively laugh at protesters. If people are protesting, they think, “I’ve gotta be doing something right to be triggering the libs like this.”
/Grew up in a Republican household with all Republican extended family
In fact, the largest protests in history (to that date) were in opposition to starting the Iraq war. Fat load of good that did.
Democrats protest. Republicans vote. Guess who’s running the show.
Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.
Please please please just go vote. And get all your friends to do it too.
If all the trump detractors actually bother showing up to vote there will be no chance he’ll win.
