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Here we go… It took them some time but ads is going to be inside chat gpt as well. And impossible to block.
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And the enshitification cycle continues…
Do you think it’s possible to run the cycle too quickly? Like, shouldn’t you make sure your product has been
widelymaximally adopted first before you make it shittier?May be that’s just hopium
Even the enshittification cycle got enshittified.
Glorious.
I feel like nobody read the article. It mentioned an “ad carousel” which would be a fairly standard way to offset costs on free plans. I don’t see that specifically as being enshitification. Now, if they start altering AI responses, that is definitely enshitification. I have no doubt they will eventually get there, but I don’t think that’s what this article is about.
All ads are enshitification.
The fact that they’re pivoting to full enshittification is the strongest signal yet that the AI bubble is collapsing. There won’t be an AI-driven mass-unemployment revolution this time around. OpenAI has given up on trying to build that.
Anyone else concerned that the AI bubble is actually an everything bubble, and more or less represents the devaluation of the US dollar? We have a lot of debt, we can’t necessarily keep raising interest rates to slow down spending (as that would make the debt’s impact far greater), and so they’re printing money onto the deficit. Meanwhile, you have the White House eye balling cryptocurrency, letting banks hold it alongside gold, … what does all of this mean?
https://www.theblock.co/amp/post/333107/jpmorgan-debasement-trade-bitcoin-gold
https://matrixmag.com/chinas-gold-corridor-a-structural-shift-in-the-global-financial-order/
i hope it means you the US collapses, we get invaded, or coup’d, and start to feel the pressure we put on the rest of the world.
As people living outside the US know, these bubbles (like 2008) don’t lead to a crisis of their sector, but of the US economy at large which in turn, very unfortunately, affects everything else. Wall Street is held up by the Nvidia/OpenAI/Oracle holy trinity, and once that crashes it’s not only taking LLMs and GPUs with it
Capitalism, especially late stage, requires to keep “creating value” and more “territory” (money) to grow into. Printing dollars and using cryptocurrencies as collateral is just doing that.
Only works until you find yourself in the same debt spiral that royally fucked Rome, Spain, and plenty of others.
Printing money causes inflation, debasing the currency. You have to raise interest rates to slow down borrowing. But now, we can’t raise interest rates because the debt is too massive… raising would cause mass defaults. Not raising means the bubbles keep growing and the value of the currency collapsing.
You could run a tight budget, but that’ll never happen. The left will win on taxing the rich for social programs, but taxing the rich won’t be enough == more printing. The right will win on tax cuts for the rich, which == more printing. Anyone outside this paradigm won’t get public support.
You could purposefully debase the currency as well. Transfer wealth into other assets and then legislatively increase the value of those assets before finally tethering USD to those. Like with stablecoin or gold, maybe both.
You could do what Japan did and let inflation run its course. That’s also political suicide.
It doesn’t mean anything. You’re just rules by greedy idiots.
Everything means something because meaning is created, not discovered. They can be greedy, idiots, and still know how to come out on top of a failing empire.
I really think there’s a lot more to this than meets the eye. There being winners implies there being losers also. If the ultra wealthy can come out on top, it leaves the rest of the US with a debased currency on bottom.
Is gold up 2x since 2 years ago, or is the US Dollar loosing its purchase power at a rate not seen since 1970s (Nixon took USD off gold) and 2008-11 (global housing crisis)?
Suddenly, Elons stock-performance based bonus benchmarked at $1T makes some sense…
You can make fictious meaning out of everything. That doesn’t mean there is meaning.
You’re confusing what I mean. Of course you can make fictitious meaning out of anything. But all meaning is created. No meaning is discovered. To say there is no meaning, it represents the depth of creativity rather than the depth of reality. Everything has meaning. Whether or not you think the meaning fictitious is another topic altogether.
I dont know about that. I think the fear right now is that these companies wont get enough revenue to justify their enormous evaluations. By putting ads in the product, they increase revenue but also increase Enshittification.
I wont be using chat gpt if it becomes annoying. But many will, everyone today who is used to constant ads will.
So im thinking this will work against the bubble popping. But I could be wrong.
They’re already getting sued over ChatGPT helping people commit suicide. Imagine the uproar once the advice comes with ads for rope, knives, etc…
First it was ignorantly stupid, now it’ll be purposefully misleading towards ads. Who could have seen that coming?
Where’s the end of work life as we know it that we were promised?
If the product is free…
BigTech 101
They actually put ads in paid products also now. :)
Never enough ads, never enough revenue.
Hmm stunned disbelief, I tell ya. How on earth did anyone ever think this could happen, big corpo putting ads inside the most hyper targeted machine the world has ever seen. How could they ever decide to do this
Oh no. I’ll have to look at ads while I make use of their fantastic and totally useful product, oh yeah, never mind.
“You want to know how to combat your depression? Sure, but what about a cold Pepsi first?”
Rapid enshittification, people will just use on of the others on the long list of alternatives. I currently recommend either DeepSeek v3.2-Exp or Kimi K2 Thinking.
Why use AI at all? The environmental costs alone should be a dealbreaker.
We aren’t going to stop AI usage, but what we can do is educate people on how to use the most efficient models. Both DeepSeek v3.20-Exp and Kimi K2 Thinking are significantly more efficient than Claude/Gemini/ChatGPT.
We may not remove it completely but we could definitely limit or even wipe out AI data centers even on just a municipal level. Limits on resources used and strict permit requirements would be enough to shit can them in a variety of ways.
I suppose identifying AI is going to be a lot easier when users copy and paste answers that contain some sort of ad roll.
It’s gonna be really hard to argue your Grapes of Wrath essay wasn’t AI generated when you submit without proofreading and don’t catch the sponsored ad for Walmart+ grocery delivery.
I don’t know that I agree. AI will continue to grow stronger and heartier, just like Campbell’s new Extra Chunky™ All Americanado™ Chicken Noodle Soup.
Ublock origin. Hold my beer!
Likely won’t work at all, there’s only a single network request coming back
Element zapping is still a thing.
You’re absolutely right! You should celebrate your vast knowledge with a bottle of Coca Cola® as you’ve figured out how to outsmart big tech, hard as good companies like Facebook try to serve you with relevant advertisements to help you improve your life (like how Maybelline can help your complexion issues) try, you’ve definitely outsmarted me!
What if they bake the ads into the replies?
You: Hey ChatGPT, what time is it?
ChatGPT:
Thanks, I just rewatched that movie because of your comment.
In case I don’t see ya: good afternoon, good evening and good night.
