• Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 months ago

    I guess you would have a point if Israel didn’t routinely bomb civilians and didn’t routinely lie about it.

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      They don’t routinely lie about it. They pre-drop little fliers that say “we’re about to bomb here; if you don’t want to die you better leave” and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb. What on Earth would they lie about? “Wow, a bomb went off right where we dropped leaflets saying it would, but it definitely wasn’t us.”

      The only bombing they actually did lie about is this one, where Hamas beefed a rocket launch and struck one of their own hospitals and Israel said “yeah, we were active in the zone” before anyone knew it wasn’t an Israeli weapon.

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        I’ve never understood how dropping a flyer on someone’s house letting them know they’re going to be bombed stops Hamas. What’s stopping Hamas from fleeing as soon as they see the flyer?

        The only person then impacted by the bombing is the guy whose house you bombed.

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          They are bombing areas where intelligence gather puts Hamas activity, safe houses and other assets that can’t easily be relocated. If Hamas tries to move military equipment,IDF is watching the area to strike when they come out in the open. If nobody leaves they strike the area as planned.

          If you knew your neighbor had a rocket launch system in his basement they you personally saw him firing off towards a nearby city, and for reasons we won’t discuss decided not to inform the authorities, and then one day woke up to your street being blanketed with fliers saying bombs were going to strike the location because of militant activity why would you stay?

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          11 months ago

          They’re willing to accept a lower success rate for a lower civilian casualty rate - isn’t that exactly what you want?

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            11 months ago

            Riiight… the genocidal mass-murderers (supposedly) wants a “lower civilian casualty rate.”

            Riiight.

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              11 months ago

              Perhaps the “genocidal mass murderers” is the part in error

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                Perhaps the “genocidal mass murderers” is the part in error

                Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - I take it you have some?

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                  11 months ago

                  Lol sure. Palestinians will exist 5 years from now because this isn’t genocide.

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                    Oh, look… genocide denial from fascist sympathizers.

                    Do they make you in a factory somewhere?

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          I’ve never understood how dropping a flyer on someone’s house letting them know they’re going to be bombed stops Hamas.

          You can’t move a tunnel entrance. Hamas can run away, but they’re still going to get a building collapsed on top of the tunnel entrance.

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        “I’m going to rob your house and shoot all your family in 2 hrs okay?” I know you are innocent people that’s why I told you I’ll kill you in few hours /s . Wtf is this logic in first place!? It’s terrorism.

        Plus, so many kids and families died under these bombs and found cut up under rubbles because Israel doesn’t even do that any more. Even before the war, they used to tell hospitals and huge residential buildings to evacuate in 1-2 hrs or be bombed. I can’t even get up to work in 1 hr notice let alone evacuate a house or a full building.

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          “I’m going to rob your house and shoot all your family in 2 hrs okay?”

          They’re not going to rob it; they’re going to fucking bomb it, to achieve a military objective in a theater of war.

          It really sucks that your house is in a theater of war! It’s likely to be destroyed by the army you’re at war with. War has really unfortunate knock-on effects; I recommend not starting a war of extermination against your neighbors.

          Plus, so many kids and families died under these bombs and found cut up under rubbles because Israel doesn’t even do that any more.

          They still do it; it’s just that Palestinians would rather die and kill their entire families in Israeli bombing than preserve life. Palestinians believe their lives are without value unless they’re dying to kill Jews.

          The only explanation for why Palestinians continue to huddle under bombs they’re warned are coming is that they believe human life, including their own, is valueless. It’s a sick culture, a death cult, and Israel is defending itself against it.

          You absolutely could evacuate your house in an hour; Israel gives weeks. The huddle under the bombs regardless because they wish to die.

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        They pre-drop little fliers that say “we’re about to bomb here; if you don’t want to die you better leave” and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb.

        They used to do that. They aren’t in this war.

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          No, they’re still doing it. The flyers have been on social media, even.

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            11 months ago

            They actually dropped flyers for people to go to a refugee camp. The people who listened and went to the refugee camp then got bombed by israel in the camp.

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        The fact you’re getting downvoted so much is just another reminder how feelings matters more than facts to certain groups of people.

        All sides in this war suck but the constant dogpiling against Israel when Hamas uses child labor to dig their tunnels is telling of how people view this conflict.

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          They’re being downvoted is because Israel was caught lying about it. Multiple times. And because Israel has bombed places without dropping flyers (or dropping flyers with wrong information) many times in this war.

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            But they don’t have to drop flyers at all! Indeed they probably shouldn’t, in the hopes of catching Hamas by surprise. But even after Oct 7th they’re trying as hard as they practically can to keep civilian casualties to a minimum even though they could end the war against Hamas a lot faster, and with fewer Israeli casualties, if they didn’t.

            Israeli Jews are bleeding in the streets to keep Gazans safe, and their repayment is unabated, universal antisemitism among Gazans. Incredible. Is there a more ungrateful people in existence than the Palestinians?

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              What the fuck is wrong with you? I refuse to even engage with this, but like seriously, you should reflect on what you just said.

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                It’s wild seeing astroturfing from these accounts. That and the total dehumanization of Palestinians.

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                Nothing’s “wrong” with me. I’m telling you what is obviously true. Israel is fighting to preserve human life against enemies that completely disregard it.

                No thinking person can look at what’s going on in Gaza and disagree. I don’t see how that’s even possible.