• Piers@lemmy.world
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    It’s such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs, because society fails to meet everyone’s needs and thereby creates people who hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs, because…

    It feels like being locked in a room full of people flinging shit at each other because they are mad that people won’t stop flinging shit at them and everytime you try to gently suggest they all just stop flinging shit they just start flinging it at you until you shut up.

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      Crab mentality is by design, and the only way out is to look at who’s fucking bucket it is.

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      it’s such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs

      while this is true on the surface, to find the core of the problem you have to look at who actually benefit from this state of affairs and never forget that it’s those few who hold society back, not the many people they pit against each other to stop us from turning on them.

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        How does one find those few people? And how can they be worked against? I honestly don’t know and I don’t know how to find out. Do I ask ChatGPT???

        Shit, maybe I should ask ChatGPT…

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          There is definitely a small set of powerful, rich, and influential people who “benefit”, but I don’t think it’s a pyramid of nefarious overlords so much as it is just a large web of people acting on their own interests.

          The same could be said for people with crab mentality. They are acting on their impulses, values, and opinions, born from likely unfortunate circumstances, when they drag their immediate others down. They aren’t thinking about holding society back at large.

          Plus, quite often things are the way they are because of historical inertia. It’s why historians place make such a big deal about continuity. For example, many laws we have can be traced back to some series of awful events that happened to a set of people. But those awful events were probably caused by yet another set of awful circumstances.

          If you’re looking for some group of people to blame for all of your woes, you might just become a fascist.

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            There is definitely a small set of powerful, rich, and influential people who “benefit”, but I don’t think it’s a pyramid of nefarious overlords so much as it is just a large web of people acting on their own interests.

            The same could be said for people with crab mentality. They are acting on their impulses, values, and opinions, born from likely unfortunate circumstances, when they drag their immediate others down. They aren’t thinking about holding society back at large.

            Those are all just crabs in the bucket. Some of the more aggressively single-minded ones are nearer to the top of the pile than others.

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            If you’re looking for some group of people to blame for all of your woes, you might just become a fascist.

            right, because looking to free yourself from the grip of fascism = fascism.

            You “enlightened” centrists never cease to amaze me with the bullshit you pull out.

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          I don’t actually think you’re asking in good faith with the bot joke, but if you really care you don’t need to look that hard, they are literally all around you (the person who pays your wages, the person who collects your rent, the government that allows them to continue to do so), you just need to open your eyes to how they exploit you and the rest of society.

          It’s called capitalism, look it up.

          And no, abolishing capitalism isn’t fascism, it’s quite literally the opposite (since capitalism in decay leads directly to fascism as we can see being demonstrated around us in real time).
          The other person saying that targeting an individual group of people turns you in to a fascist is full of shit in this instance - capitalism isn’t a marginalised or oppressed group it is an active marginalisation and oppressing system, and standing up to oppressors does not equal oppression, it’s literally liberation.