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    He’s currently behind the mango Mussolini in the polls and, other than “at least I’m not the other guy” being a much less effective strategy for an incumbent than a challenger no matter how awful the challenger is, this is the main reason.

    Biden may be a corrupt right wing reactionary, but he’s not enough of a fool that he’s not beginning to realize the fact that he probably has to change course on this or run a very high risk of losing the last fair and open US presidential election.

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      Calling Biden “corrupt right wing reactionary” is untrue.

      That isn’t to say I wouldn’t prefer Bernie Sanders, or that I agree with everything Biden’s done.

      I just think that accusation is inflammatory and baseless. It would be more helpful to use accurate descriptors.

      I’m not a fan of him ordering the rail union back to work but he’s also asked for the DEA to review a proposal to reschedule marijuana, acquitted existing inmates on marijuana charges and forgiven as much student loan debt as he is able without intervention from Congress.

      To me this does not paint the picture of a “corrupt right with reactionary”

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        Calling Biden “corrupt right wing reactionary” is untrue.

        He was known as The Senator From MBNA for shamelessly acting as if he was working for the then second largest credit card company in the country rather than the US people.

        He championed the pro-corporate bankruptcy reform that was so anti-consumer that it inspired Elizabeth Warren to advocate for a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to shield consumers from similarly predatory practices by the rich and powerful.

        He’s said that “of course” he’d be more likely to agree to talk to someone if they first donated a lot of money to his campaign m

        He’s repeatedly championed cutting medicare and medicaid.

        He initially opposed desegregation bussing, saying he didn’t want his kids to “grow up in a racial jungle”

        He’s bragged about his close cooperation with such segregationists as racism end boss Strom Thurmond.

        He has said that he would veto Medicare For All if congress passed a bill allowing any version of it.

        He was the only 2020 Dem primary candidate that categorically ruled out the use and possession of cannabis.

        He is one of the staunchest international supporters of a fascist government currently engaged in a horrendous genocide because “they’ve always been our allies, so we need to support them no matter what”

        He used to brag that nobody in Washington went to more of the events of that fascist government’s lobbying arm, AIPAC.

        If that doesn’t “paint the picture of” a corrupt right wing reactionary to you, that’s not because he isn’t one.

        I just think that accusation is inflammatory and baseless

        Well you’re half right. It IS inflammatory. Unpopular truths tend to be.

        It would be more helpful to use accurate descriptors.

        Those are 100% accurate descriptors. They don’t encompass ALL of what he is, but corrupt, right wing and reactionary is objectively three things that he is.

        asked for the DEA to review a proposal to reschedule marijuana

        A proposal that concluded with no qualifications that rescheduling would be the only defensible course of action. Nothing to review unless he disagrees and wants the war on drugs people to justify it for him.

        acquitted existing inmates on marijuana charges

        That’s prescribing an aspirin for a migraine while you have but refuse to use the cure for the underlying disease.

        forgiven as much student loan debt as he is able without intervention from Congress.

        Categorically untrue. It’s within the constitutional powers of his secretary of education to cancel literally all of it, which he would have done had Biden asked.

        Biden knew that he’d get pushback from the GOP no matter how much or how little was forgiven and chose small amounts that he still means tested to death, like Dem leadership always do when they do anything that helps regular people more than their owner donors.

        To reiterate: yes, he’s objectively corrupt. Yes he’s objectively right wing, and yes, he’s objectively reactionary.

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          He’s an American politician who is 80 years old. Yes, he needs to go. All of them from his generation do. But he’s not a goddamned Nazi, so crawl down off that cross before you hurt youself.

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            I never said he’s a nazi. I know he’s not. I said he’s corrupt, right wing and reactionary. Then I provided ample examples of him being a corrupt right wing reactionary. Nobody’s on a cross here.

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      I’m voting for Trump just to piss off biden supporters.

      If they have a problem with me doing that, they can nominate someone who represents my interests.

      I’m gonna wear a big shirt if Trump wins that says, “I voted for Trump because democrats nominated Biden.”

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          If they have a problem with me doing that, they can nominate someone who represents my interests.

          Or just insult me, that’ll work wonders.

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              Eh, it’s more about choosing to lose slowly vs. choosing to lose quickly.

              Either way we lose, which is what the lesser-evil means. At least with Trump winning, people might change their strategy to prevent similar wins in the future.

              Biden winning means that the lesser-evil is still in style and we have no reason to address the root of society’s problems.

              I’m sorry you need to resort to personal insults, but that just tells me you’re not confident about your point.

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                Wen you elect fascists they don’t always allow free and fair elections in the future so this “similar wins int he future” clause is ignorant. Especially when the fascist in question already attempted one coup to stay in power when he lost an election.

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                  voting for a fascist is voting against future elections… just giving power to those who must never, ever, have it.

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                Accelerationism like that does not work. It makes things worse for everyone and nothing improves in the end.

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                If a third of registered Democrats stopped voting for DNC-backed candidates who do not represent them (by not voting or by voting for the Green Party candidate) and the Democrats lost in a landslide, the DNC would have two options:

                1. move left to regain the voters
                2. move right to keep the corporate bribes coming and try to sway Republican voters.

                I am not at all confident that they would select option 1.

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                  Except that if Trump wins there wont be any voters to win since we won’t have elections anymore. What part about a dictatorship do you people not understand?

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                    Not everyone is staunchly one party or the other. The people in the middle are the main target for campaigning.

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            You’re not about to change your mind anyway, so why not have some fun calling you out for what you are?

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        Ever heard of the saying “don’t cut off your nose to spite your face”?

        What you’re suggesting is like getting an NFL kicker to kick you in the balls as hard as he can to spite the yoga mom trying to slap you.

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          Cool analogy.

          If they have a problem with me doing that, they can nominate someone who represents my interests.

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        I can’t bring myself to vote for the guy that’s probably going to put me in a camp for being trans.

        Instead I’m voting for Hillary Clinton. It’s still her turn!