While I think that’s dope it does feel like it gives Russia valid cause to strike them in host countries and kind of feels like a deliberate provocation to do so?
Russia doesn’t actually want NATO get involved so they wouldn’t strike the host nation.
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Russia has stated many things which are often contradictory and false.
Regardless, attacking NATO countries would be strategic insanity.
they are insane tho, but putin don’t want to die, and their fuxked up defense system can’t cope with the ammount of missiles that gonna rain in his head
They’re not insane: everything they’ve done are things they sincerely thought they could get away with, and up until Ukraine Putin has been correct in that regard.
Pretending to be crazy is an effective strategy: ironically Nixon popularized it during the cold war.
Attacking targets in NATO countries (even if “justified”) is going to drastically increase the odds NATO gets directly involved in Ukraine – something Putin absolutely doesn’t want.
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It’s not even politics, It’s just math. NATO has superiority in economy, industrial output, operational equipment and manpower.
Plus they’re too close to Russia for asymmetric warfare rules.
I would bet on it, but I’d sure as hell wish we could all get along instead.
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Um… Is NATO weaker with the addition of Sweden and Finland? I’m not sure what your definition of “weak” means. I thought having more allies is not weak.
They also stated they won’t attack Ukraine.
Here’s what Russia actually stated as explained by the chief of NATO
The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.
The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.
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people enter nato
the famous nato referendums
stop vomiting russia propaganda
citing nato is russian propaganda lmao
“Russia states” lmao
If it’s a NATO country the F-16s are the least of their worries and find out what a real 3 day operation looks like.
Russia can’t afford to escalate.
It already worked once.
Well the second best army is not performing anywhere near expectations. Russia should finish one fight theycan’t go the distance on before picking on NATO.
Russia already stated that they will do precisely that, so this moves us one step closer to a nuclear holocaust. Hope it was worth it.
This comment is for anyone who is experiencing nuclear-phobia, kinda like I do, to which I strictly mean living with a state of fear or dread about a nuclear apocalypse, this development does puts the world one step closer. It’s okay to be scared by that, I know I am. It doesn’t mean the world is one step away from a nuclear apocalypse. The world has been closer to the brink of nuclear war before and we’re all still here. It’s okay to breathe.
I don’t know where you get your nuclear vibes from, but we have hardly been closer, actually.
Six months ago: Doomsday Clock remains at a minute and a half to midnight in 2024—closest ever to apocalypse
And things have only worse since then. This week: Russian warships, nuclear submarine enter Havana Harbor under watch of U.S. destroyers
Russia has stated many things they will do, but haven’t then actually done. Why would this time be different? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Pretty much none of those were actually stated by Russia. The trend has been that it’s the west that make up these red lines, then crosses them and says, see nothing happened. Last I checked, the actual red line Russia set out was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that red line was ignored the war started. This notion that you can just keep pushing a nuclear superpower and nothing bad will happen is imbecilic beyond belief.
There are sources given for the claims. If they are inaccurate you should remove the sources, and the claim itself if there are no good sources supporting it anymore.
If you bother reading the sources, then you’ll see that these aren’t primary sources of anything the Russian government said. These are articles and interpretations by western analysts and think tanks. Feel free to link statements from the Russian government though.
Again, if a source is incorrect, feel free to remove it.
Again, provide primary sources for your claims.
Russia is well aware that if they use nuclear weapons it’s over for them, will the rest of the world fall too is another question.
Either way I truly don’t believe they will do it simply because that ends Russia in its current form, and I don’t think we should allow them to be an aggressor just because they have nukes. Russia needs to be stopped and their saber rattling should rightly be ignored.
Feel free to @ me if you die in a nuclear apocalypse to prove me wrong. Till then let’s keep enabling Ukraine to fight back and continue Russias massive embarrassment and degradation of power and capabilities.
This is the most unhinged thing I’ve read in a while. Also, what degradation are you talking about?
Pretty much every western news source now admits that Russia is stronger than at the start of the war, and that it’s massively outpacing the west in terms of weapons production.
Mind sharing some sources on that? Since it is a bit of a bold statement.
here are just a few recent ones
- https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics/russia-forces-ukraine-war-cavoli/index.html
- https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
- https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/11/christopher-cavoli-russian-military-losses-00151718
- https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
- https://raport.valisluureamet.ee/2024/en/1-russian-armed-forces-and-the-war-in-ukraine/1-3-russian-military-industry/
Russia said they would nuke the west 10 times already, they have rattled the saber too much and nobody believes the threat.
Where, please provide an ofgicial statement from Russia saying that.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/how-real-is-putins-threat-to-nuke-the-west
Or do you mean the ones made on state TV in 2022 that the Kremlin now says never happened?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-putin-didnt-threaten-use-nuclear-weapons-us-took-him-out-context-2024-03-14/
These are reminders that Russia is a nuclear superpower, and that continued escalation can lead to a direct war between west and Russia which will almost certainly be nuclear.
Almost like saying that Russia would “nuke” the west…
almost like you’re projecting
good, now we know that they are in fact not do that
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I would be shocked if Russia did, the west has been pretty limited with allowing Ukrainian strikes with western systems on Russia even to this day. Like it or not I don’t think they would attempt to strike another country because they are scared of relatiation.
I would be happy to be wrong, because if they do I think the west would join the war or allow Ukraine more Freedom with their systems. Either way the net outcome is Russians still loosing the long game, like they currently are
Still waiting for the “F-16s delivered to Ukraine” headline instead of these useless stall articles showing off the mistake of not sending them 2 years ago >:(
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Seriously they’re guarding base block F-16s, but a whole fleet of F-15s for Israel is fine because money.
It’s all about training. Pilots are one matter. Repair and maintenance crews are another. It’s going to take time unfortunately. Money and logistics aren’t the issue here though.
Motherfucker they’re going to base the planes in Romania. What repair and maintenance crews do they need that don’t already exist?
Motherfucker… They ain’t basing ALL the planes in other countries… They have to fly the planes out of ukraine if they want to use them or the west is risking being dragged into the war by being a direct participant. No one is prepared for this yet. They are preparing however…
I feel your pain bro but look into the issue first before talking like a dipshit. Realize that this stuff doesn’t happen overnight please.
Recipe for disaster…
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Surely this wunderwaffe will be the one to turn the tides of the war, and ensure the success of the Mariupol counteroffensive!
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