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The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X::The former Twitter is incentivizing violent content, which will only become worse to stand out to users.
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Then stop already. Stop mentioning the name. Stop posting articles about it. Stop sharing articles about it on other social media.
You know what’s immoral? Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.
I dunno’, kinda’ sounds similar to, “racism would be over if you’d just shut up about it.”
X and Elon don’t magically disappear because you choose to ignore them.
And it would be similar to that if racism was a business that survived based on engagement.
If you think it isn’t, you clearly haven’t been paying attention to all of racism in general and hypercapitalist neofascism in particular.
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It’s not “x” it’s called Twitter.
This is a good case for deadnaming.I dunno. Racism isn’t entirely manifested by one man. He’s just one more bucket of piss in a sea of piss. Fuck him. We can at any time choose to ignore him. Choose to ignore his shit app. He doesn’t matter to any equation, he’s just an annoying rich person struggling with their addiction to child pornography. Wups did I say the silent part out loud. Shit.
“racism would be over if tou’d just shut up about it.”
Well, that’s way more true than it is false. The way the left hyped up race as the single most important and defining feature of people wasn’t exactly helpful. The idea of racial realism should be deconstructed, not actively supported. I have literally never seen as much racism in my life as what the left has been doing in the last 10-15 years.
And as for Elon, ignoring him would go a long way as well. The only reason why he is relevant, is because news media hypes up everything he says, no matter how false or irrelevant it is. Simply sticking to the important news, instead of clickbait and hype, would go a long way to quiet things down.
I’m sure if we just ignore rich and powerful people, they’ll go away.
They won’t. But complaining about them on Lemmy and Bloomberg is empowering them.
I get your point that major media outlets constantly talking about them is empowering them, but pretending that Lemmy talking about it has any effect whatsoever is vastly overestimating how consequential this place is.
I know a lot of people here are just sick to hear of the matter but lets not pretend that not talking about it is a moral stance.
Lol. What?
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Twitter has millions of users. Not talking about its issues clearly won’t solve the problem.
Back before Apollo was killed I had the words “Elon” and “Trump” filtered out. I just never saw these rage posts in the first place. Man, I’d love to see that feature in a Lemmy client. Anyone know if it exists?
I’m new to Lemmy but I believe Boost for Lemmy allows you to filter on keywords.
Thanks I’ll check it out
The moral case for just shutting the hell up about X finally for fucks sake.
I’ll shut up about it when it quits being relevant.
Is it relevant? Maybe I’m just being a grumpy old man but literally the only time I ever think about it is when it’s posted about on here.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Stop posting about Amongus! (loud warning)
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.
Lol irony.
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Tell that to OP. Oh, wait…
Can we all just boycott anything having to do with Musk/Twitter? I just want a browser extension that will automatically prevent me from going to a site that has any sort of links or anything related to twitter. Your blog also links to your Twitter account? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. Your news story references a tweet from somebody? Fuck you I’m not reading it. Your Lemmy post talks about Musk or Twitter? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. I just want all mention of Musk or Twitter or X completely erased from the internet. It may unfortunately impact any reference to anything else ‘X’ related, but that’s a small price to pay for a Musk-free life.
Devil’s advocate, it should be amplified as much as possible, because it reminds the public that billionaires are not inherently intelligent nor worthy of their money.
Problem is you’d also block all the older articles from when twitter was only a mudpit and not a hellhole
Oh no, all those articles from the Trump presidency where Trump posted something asinine and everybody freaked out about it, whatever shall I do?
Is there any app for Lemmy that can filter by keyword? I don’t want to read about Elon and Trump multiple times a day. With some Kanye, Zuckerberg and Tate sprinkled in.
I already know they suck and 99% of the time they are mentioned it isn’t even relevant or is about social media platforms I don’t use.
Even better idea, everyone order a starlink then do a return. Will temp cost you $300 but free return shipping at spacex expense
SpaceX is an amazing company. I don’t want to punish SpaceX.
It’s less than a quarter the cost to get to space now, because of SpaceX
There are lots of browser extensions that can block any site you want to block. I use Block Site on Firefox but there’s plenty to choose from, just have a search.
So, basically you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend things aren’t happening.
No, I’d rather read about the important things that are happening. Twitter is not important and the only thing that will finally get all these other companies to finally drop twitter is if it starts hurting their bottom line and reduces clicks and reads. If there’s a coordinated campaign to block Twitter, it could finally just remove it from the internet.
you’re not saving the world complaining online about twitter bro.
But… Maybe… 🤔
I made a burner to see for myself after using it for work a few years ago. It’s a complete dumpster fire now, way worse than before. Bots and shitty animated gambling ads everywhere. Porn bots and scammers are trying to follow you every 2 seconds. Elon’s dipshit musings/ragebait are forced into your feed even when you block him. Any tweets you make get zero engagement. remaining accounts are either bots, racists, fascists, or creators and celebrities moaning and/or hemming and hawing about leaving all the time because muh ego. It’s not even worth witnessing the spectacle.
It’s also fucking straight up broken half the time. Mastodon is a breath of fresh air in comparison even pre-Elon. Wish more would use it.
You forgot one major thing: the porn has left in droves.
Truth. Total ghost town now.
The forced elon spam reeks of insecurity. I thought the whole reason behind being extremely rich was not giving a fuck about what the world thinks, yet here we are.
Can we take a step back for a second and think about the human condition that led someone to need a moral argument to get off X? What kind of pathetic, fucked up mind do you have where you can’t just uninstall the app you have to appeal to morality.
Well there is a difference between disliking something and believing it is actively harmful. If you believe it is actively harmful for humans and society, it makes sense that you want to appeal to the society as a whole. Then you need to reason for why you feel the way you do. And there we go.
Facebook causes genocides in every 3ed world nation they push into.
social media is, as it is now, designed to push the worst. most racist, most murderous rhetoric because it garners more engagement.
I am not saying you are wrong, nor right, but I am wondering why you tell me/us that now, here.
because what makes Elon harmful for humanity is basically the same thing that makes Facebook harmful, massive uncontrolled influence on society
Well it depends on what you see as an acceptable cost of the benefits of social Media. You could easily find differences between platform, in their function and in their moderation. These differences might be valid reasons to give it a different evaluation.
But in case, you want to argue about whether or not Twitter is moral; and/or whether or not Facebook is as bad as Twitter, I am not interested in the discussion and my points weren’t made in support of the position that Twitter is harmful but only in “defense” of people voicing their moral evaluation of social Media.
My assumption would be the purpose is to shame people.
I don’t think someone publishes an article to try to convince themselves to not use it. Of course it’s to convince other people why to not use it.
This 100%! I barely used Twitter to begin with, but as soon as he went off the deep end, I completely deleted my account.
This whole twitter thing is like some lib version of a moral panic. Who cares, just get off it if you don’t like the experience. But no, they all need to tell everyone how this makes them so morally pure.
Moral panics are over things that don’t have negative real world consequences.
We’ve repeatedly seen what happens when disinformation and violent, extremist speech is given a place to flourish on social media. The crazies get even more radicalized, organized, and emboldened. They start taking actual action.
Qanon, the proud boys, unite the right, patriot front, January 6th – where do you think those ideas gestated and grew to critical mass?
4chan?
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That moral case was already there like a decade ago.
When he called the Philippine men, risking their lives to save children stuck and about to die in an underground cave, pedophiles because they refused to consider musk’s retarded dive capsule idea… That was the moment that the moral case was there and it never left.
Musk is a scammer, he is a dumbass, he is incompetent, got fired for being incompetent, he just got really lucky winning the company shares jackpot when that company got bought out. That’s all. He has a quality to make dumbass people listen to him and look up to him and make them somehow believe that he’s smart but every word out of his mouth is either a lie or just really really painfully dumb.
I worked for Musk for longer than I care to admit, well before the world caught on to what an evil snake oil salesman he is and I endorse this post.
Let me just say after my time that the pedophile thing is probably nowhere near the worst thing that man has said or done to others he deems unworthy.
It’s what we call failing up.
I had the idea of seeing if I could get an AI to draw a 10-point buck mounting him as a play on his name. No idea if that would be too far or not, but I would personally find it funny.
I joined Twitter fairly recently as Machine Learning Twitter is/was a thing, and I wanted to stay abreast of news from people like Andrej Karpathy, Chris Olah, Andrew Ng etc., especially since r/MachineLearning went down the shitter.
But I can’t even - I log on and just instantly see ragebait posts from Daily Mail talking heads and bullshit.
Are there any better alternatives for this purpose?
Believe it or not, for tech deep cuts, Mastodon is better.
If there are better alternatives entirely depends on how active those people are on Mastodon, Bluesky or even Threads. (Not sure on activity on Bluesky, as I haven’t got an invite yet…)
I’m a PHP developer, many people (but not all) in the community crosspost on Twitter and Mastodon, so Mastodon is a good alternative for me personally.
There is a Mastodon instance sigmoid.social for this ostensible purpose, but it’s pretty dead.
Lead by example. At least stop pretending that this news article/opinion piece belongs in a technology.
I love these websites posting, “It’s time to leave X” while also providing bait articles that just describe a Twitter conversation between two celebrities.
Ironically, there’s a “Share with Twitter” button on the left side of the article
Agreed
Agreed.
TIL we need convincing about that on Lemmy
Lemmy just seems like a big echo chamber of tech, Linux, and Political news. Maybe some memes sprinkled in, but little else.
The Star Trek memes are good. So ha!
But this Stor stuffs is weird and I’m too afrais to ask what is it.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. If you’d like more fascism or mindless idiocy no one’s keeping you here
I’ve never seen furry porn before joining Lemmy, half the stuff I have blocked is furry hentai
Oh yeah forgot there’s a lot of that too. I blocked all that months ago lol
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That’s just an issue with your instance. Most instances defederate from outright porn sites unless they’re explicitly for made for NSFW.
The fediverse provides an alternative for people who care about using ethical products. Haven’t tried threads/bluesky but they seem like more of the same. Unfortunately I don’t think people care about the ethics of their micro-blogging platform; their biggest priority is having the largest soap box to shout from.
I’m not sure I’d call lemmy ethical considering how much genocide denial there is.
I think you missed the part where the person you are replying to is talking about the ethics of the platform itself, not the ethical viewpoint of the users using the platform nor the personal views of the developers.
Platforms don’t have ethics. They’re software, not people.
Platforms have the ethics of the people administrating them
And designing them. Anything coded has the biases of the people who made them baked in.
Software is shipped with a license. There are licenses that are more or less ethical.
Do I have bad news about twitter… At least no one profits from it here
Lemmy isn’t one entity. It’s several different websites. That would be like calling Linux unethical because some people use it for weapons research… it’s open source, so people can do whatever they want with it. Douglas Crockford famously added "“The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil” to the license for JSON, but it was determined by various people to be unenforceable and not compatible with free software licensing.
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I’ve never used Twitter, but X has never been better—250+mg per pill, that’s three times what it was in the early 00s!
I know a lot of people relying on it for sharing research papers and finding them. It’s depressing to not have an alternative.
Sewers are useful even if they are full of shit.
Maybe it’s time to slowly transition to Fediverse?
It would be nice. The major issue is the network that people created there. It takes years to build it, and you won’t have it back on the Fediverse.
Does anyone here actually use it? I literally never made an account
I have an account that I use exclusively to DM companies for support. I found out that I can get help quicker and more easily than going through their website or call center hoops.
If torturing primates isn’t enough for u what is,???
paying for twitter
That says so much about u that animal torture is ok but don’t they dare demand $8 from u.
Oh no im not saying that about myself. left a long time ago when he started rate limiting and funding right leaning mfs. I’m just trying to imagine wby people stay on a service like that. I kinda hope elon starts charging for twitter so when i see who actually pays for it, its gonna be much easier to cut them off.
Downvote Musk spam.
The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring him and his businesses stay in the headlines every day. Don’t be a useful idiot.
I don’t need a moral reason, I just think it’s shit as it was before it rebranded
