DS9 was probably the most interesting of the shows of that time though. It broke several of Roddenberry’s rules:
- plenty of characters had long-running interpersonal gripes and grievances. In TNG everything was returned to status quo after any given episode or two parter. No one really argued with each other, everyone just learned a life lesson and everything was back to normal the next episode. Voyager started with some tension on the ship between the Maquis and the federation crew but that basically stopped after like 5 episodes and it was back to TNG camaraderie.
- it wasn’t on a ship that went travelled about.
- it had long running storylines that lasted several seasons. TNG had a few two parters and that season 1 conspiracy thread with the creepy crawlies taking over the federation but not much beyond that. Voyager had Species 8472 and the Borg and Kazon and whatnot but it was pretty straight adventure of the week stuff most of the time.
- it showed the federation being less than perfect. The federation of DS9 was flawed and made poor decisions at times. Sisko did something so bad once that they dedicated a whole episode to a log entry where he convinces himself he can live with the amoral decision he made to protect the federation, and Section 31 was a whole unit purpose made for dirty work.
- it had Garak. Dude would just straight up murder people, and he was one of the good guys.
- they played baseball. Not blurgball or space-baseball, just straight baseball. It was a shit show of a game, mind you, but they didn’t invent some futuristic sport just because they had to. They just did a baseball.
I think DS9 is the most interesting Trek series of them all.
I’ll die on the hill that ds9 wasn’t bad. It wasn’t the best, lowest of the 4… but if ds9 was the worst and it’s still good than the other shows are great
I agree. But in general ranking TV series or episodes or characters or arguing that one of them was the best or worst never seems worthwhile to me.
Does anybody srsly not take it for granted that when Bonespurs says anything it just means he thought of saying it right then?
Are you having a stroke?
Weird, I had the opposite experience. I tried to watch DS9 recently and found it so dumb by about the middle of season four I gave up.
There is a lot of dumb stuff, but also a bit very cool space pew pew, very charismatic actors and occasionally Odo emerging from a wall panel, being one step ahead of everyone.
Also, the versatile actors playing different characters are awesome, if you know about it. Oh and the mirror universe.
Mark Alaimo doesn’t get enough credit for being a solid anchor for the series.
Dude has chops.
I love all the day players that are the villain/vicitms of the week. It’s kind of hilarious to see the same actors again and again, but also a lot of them were also on Babylon 5.
The characters are mid and despite there being six seasons there are only four episodes:
- Odo solves a problem by changing shape
- Propaganda for the Bayjor religion
- A beloved crossover character saves the day
- Something unimaginably horrific happens to the O’Briens
You can simplify every series that way…
Agatha Christie wrote one novel over and over!
Chefs make the same three dishes over and over.
4 chord songs!!!
Life gets really monotonous if you’re pessimistic enough.
At least I only have to worry about seeing Wesley for only one episode.
EDIT: Actually I dont have to worry about him at all, because I was hallucinating one episode ans replacing Nog with Wesley for some reason.
Wesley isn’t in DS9.
Turns out I have been hallucinating when Nog is listening to Vince Fontaine and sharing a room with Jake.
This whole time I remembered that as a Wesley episode.
I mean, canonically, isn’t Wesley basically a Q at this point, doesn’t he have Phenomenal Cosmic Powers™? Wesley disguising himself as Nog shouldn’t be too hard to do. Hell, it was in a holosuite, and if anyone can rig one of those, it’s Wesley.
So, what I’m saying is…canonically, there is no reason that it couldn’t have been Wesley hanging out with Jake…
Wow. And Paper Moon is legitimately one of my favorite episodes that doesn’t get a lot of fanfare. Replacing Nog for Wesley mentally is something I can not conceive of in that.
You thought Wesley was in “It’s Only a Paper Moon”?
I’m just about to finish watching season four … and I’ve suddenly realized how terrible it will feel when I get to the end. Man I love this show!
You’ve hit the sweet spot. Season 5 is by far my favorite. A few dry spots, but solid overall.
Great times!
Introducing my daughter to Trek this year, just wrapped up S4 of DS9 a few weeks ago and S3 of Voyager the week after.
We have a few more months of golden age Trek… soaking it in.
I still refuse to believe Starfleet’s go-to drink is caffeine-free.
Admiral Janeway, please calm down.
I’m still smarting from the betrayal that is Diet Barq’s
Maybe they have Barq’s. It’s caffeinated root beer.
They don’t even drink alcohol. What makes you think they allow caffeine?
Picard has actual earth produced wine from his family’s own ancient vineyard in stock. They usually just don’t drink alcohol unless it’s a special occasion, but synthol has the same effect, it just wears off faster, so people can drink within 4 hours of a shift.
“there’s coffee in that nebula”
They clearly allow it, whether or not most partake is another matter. I’m also not familiar with anything saying they don’t allow alcohol, just that synthetic is a widely used alternative
Why is that PNG file 1.3 MB? Is it huge or just unoptimized? Is someone using it as a fullsize Quark poster or something?
PNG is lossless and its compression not well suited for photos. It doesn’t even have to be huge to get a photo PNG of that size.
It’s not TIFF. This isn’t NASA imagery. PNGs do alright on compression for photos.
(at least I hope NASA hasn’t captured images of Quark)
PNG can zip but it’s lossless, joh can lose data, and the difference is very significant
Can be lossless
How would you make a lossy PNG? Just introduce errors randomly? That makes no sense.
By reading google or the wiki
Process data so DEFLATE works more efficiently
Nice find. That one tells me 1401x1705 and 0.86 MB.
Quark is wise
Just like root beer
