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  • cmbabul@lemmy.world
    852·
    10 months ago

    You should listen to your friend Barry, he’s really good at running campaigns

  • eran_morad@lemmy.world
    6411·
    10 months ago

    I get it. He’s old, he’s on the “wrong side” of Israel/Palestine, etc. Doesn’t fucking matter. It’s a binary choice, you got Brandon or you got trump. And if you can’t accept that stark reality, you’re probably too stupid to impose your opinion on others.

    • lingh0e@sh.itjust.works
      453·
      10 months ago

      Know who else is on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine conflict? No matter who wins, Palestinians lose, because a Trump administration will absolutely let the IDF go gloves off.

      • eran_morad@lemmy.world
        42·
        10 months ago

        The real problem here is that the majority of voting Americans have been manipulated by narrow interests to support the wrong side. Fucking idiots and their fairy tales.

        • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
          49·
          10 months ago

          The real real problem is the millions of people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries forcing us all into this situation today. Fuck those people.

          • eran_morad@lemmy.world
            41·
            10 months ago

            You gotta be dumber than dogshit if you think any prez from either party wouldn’t do exactly as Brandon is doing. Why the fuck do you think he’s doing this? hint: it’s because he’d lose more votes if he didn’t support Israel.

        • lingh0e@sh.itjust.works
          9·
          10 months ago

          Trump will enter such a situation because he wants to build a resort somewhere for money laundering purposes, not because he is beholden to any specific faith or idealogy.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          71·
          10 months ago

          Trump is literally out there quoting Hitler. He is not a Zionist, not even in the Christian Nationalist “we need Israel to exist to start the Rapture” kind of Zionist.

    • chitak166@lemmy.world
      72·
      10 months ago

      It does matter, though.

      That’s what democrats still haven’t realized.

      Maybe a 2nd trump presidency will teach them.

      • candybrie@lemmy.world
        21·
        10 months ago

        That’s not the lesson learned by Trump winning. The learned lesson would be Joe Biden isn’t enough like Trump and the democrats need to be further right to win.

        • chitak166@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 months ago

          So they can recruit more conservatives?

          What makes you think a significant number of people who voted for Trump will ever consider voting for a democrat?

          • candybrie@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 months ago

            I don’t think that. But that’s the lesson that gets learned. Why did Biden get the nomination? Because he was “electable.” What did primary voters decide electable meant? The most milquetoast and “center” candidate of the bunch. Trump winning doesn’t push Democrats to be progressive or bold. It pushes them away from that. Only when they feel they have huge majorities do they do anything verging on progressive.

            • chitak166@lemmy.world
              11·
              10 months ago

              It pushes them away from that.

              All it did was cause them to run the exact same candidate that lost to Trump but this time with a penis.

  • Pratai@lemmy.ca
    5817·
    10 months ago

    There are so many MAGAtrumpers here with the “gEnOciDE jOe” nonsense that are seemingly unaware that their believed king will do the exact same thing, only with him- they get a side-order of bigotry, racism, oppression, tyranny, and cowardice.

    I hope you will all be happy with your lateral move on this single-issue decision. Because YOU will be who gets the blame when Trump wins the throne.

    • mightyfoolish@lemmy.world
      306·
      10 months ago

      Maga people don’t say that. It’s the progressives that use “Genocide Joe”. Democrats: We will support Israel. Republicans: Gaza will be a parking lot. Progressives: The two main options are the same but worded differently.

      Trump has supporters because the nominees he ran against are garbage.

      Trump was able to cause Jan 6 because enough people who hate Democrats kept getting Republican nominees pushed in to take over the Judicial and Executive branches. Trump is a symptom and the Democrats are not the solution.

  • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    413·
    10 months ago

    Yup. Trump is polling way too well for anyone to treat this as a typical election where common sense wins the day.

    Many voting blocs apparently can no longer see the plain, stupifyingly obvious lies, fascism and narcissism dripping from every speech he has given for the last 8 years. We’re slow-walking to the end of American democracy.

    This election year will be exhausting for us all, but if there’s ever a time to put everything into it, it’s now and it’s this election.

    • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world
      1116·
      10 months ago

      I was going to say this, the way Biden is handling the border crisis is turning a lot of NYC, Chicago, and Denver voters off (and more, those are just hit pretty hard lately.) EDIT: Check out the mayor of NYC’s polling numbers. They are the lowest since polling began. It is the worst administration in NYC’s history because of the migrant crisis handling. I can confirm with links but not sure what good that would do if people have made up their own minds.

      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
        5·
        10 months ago

        Those are all areas in states that are safe Democratic in the Electoral College. It’s worse if it turns off Democrats in swing states who may not show up on election day.

      • SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
        74·
        10 months ago

        What’s he doing with the border crisis? I thought abetting the genocide is the bigger factor in his dropping approval rating.

        • hydrospanner@lemmy.world
          2·
          10 months ago

          Without commenting on the situation itself, I feel like sentiments toward it might indeed be hurting his numbers now but won’t have any significant impact 22 months from now. American voters have short memories when it comes to things that don’t materially affect them.

      • chitak166@lemmy.world
        42·
        10 months ago

        Really? It seems to me Joe’s support of the Palestinian Genocide is hurting him more than any made-up fox news bullshit.

      • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.ukEnglish
        32·
        10 months ago

        Oh yeah. The border crisis. That’s the real kicker.

        So many 2020 voters picked Biden for his border commitments.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    343·
    10 months ago

    I’m voting Biden, but again, we are here because Biden is fucking old. The Democrats should have made an effort to bring in new candidates. The only reason to keep Biden in place is to keep Trump off. But also the wars happening now are all from Biden’s generation. So maybe it’s fine, he should fix those things.

    • Vanon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      452·
      10 months ago

      We had a vigorous primary, many interesting candidates in '19-20 (Bernie leading easily until SC, Warren backstab, pandemic). Before Super Tuesday, Democrat primary voters were told to unite around Biden, and they did. So that was… weird, but maybe I can blame pandemic.

      Biden’s been more progressive than I would’ve imagined, and is surrounded by decent people, so I’m not concerned about his ancient brain quite yet. The other option is… religious fascism, destruction of govt, civil war, T**** family dictatorship, etc. Let’s go Brandon, I guess.

      • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
        162·
        10 months ago

        Yeah, I just hope he lasts the next 4 years. Meanwhile hopefully we do end up with better candidates. Bernie would have been a heck of a president. We need a Bernie that is 30 years old.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
          411·
          10 months ago

          They could convince Taylor Swift to run. Not sure what the office would do to her ego though. She already is like pseudo royalty. Also not sure if we want another billionaire to run. I think she might even be old enough in time for her coronation ahem, inauguration.

        • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
          63·
          10 months ago

          It’s rich fuckers that live in and near cities that don’t see themselves as racist even though they are. They just want the status quo without feeling bad about it.

          • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
            139·
            10 months ago

            Call me whatever you want. If you don’t need my vote then ignore me. If you do then fucking pay attention.

            • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
              813·
              10 months ago

              Look kid. You do what you want. It’s your vote. That’s what democracy is. But don’t get used to it. Because when it’s gone, it won’t be illegal to blame you for it.

              • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
                87·
                10 months ago

                Look kid.

                Look Boomer. You voted for a procorporate trash candidate in the 2020 primaries. That was your decision. You’re responsible for how they do in the general election. I’m not responsible for how your garbage candidate performs.

              • fathog@lemmy.world
                65·
                10 months ago

                Anybody who doesn’t like the rape apologist supports Trump 😭😭😭

                Everyone seems to hate Clarence Thomas but doesn’t seem to remember Biden grilling Anita Hill.

                It’s almost like the guy above you is complaining that we had many better options during the 2020 primary, but people like you voted for a dogshit candidate that is literally losing in the polls to an overt fascist.

                So when democracy is gone, I personally will blame people who saw how much a threat Trump was and thought fucking Joe Biden was the best choice.

                • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
                  67·
                  10 months ago

                  Exactly. And if you ask people why they voted for Joe Biden they’ll come right out and say it: They wanted to fight against the interests of progressives and leftists. Then they have the gall to turn around and act like we’re on the same side in the general.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.world
    215·
    10 months ago

    The two main alternatives to not elect Trump are:

    • The one, single man who is the current President of The United States Of America, can change what he’s doing on a number of subjects, including his active continued material support for the Israeli Genocide, to get the votes.
    • Millions of people can go against their principles and vote for that man so that Trump doesn’t win.

    Logically it would be much easier to achieve the objective of Trump not getting elected by the solution of that one, single man to change how he acts as President of The United States Of America, than by the solution of the millions of people turned of by the actions of that man as POTUS to ignore their Principles and vote for that man.

    Surelly if the people loudly demanding that others ignore their Principles and vote for Biden so that Trump doesn’t win had indeed only “make sure Trump isn’t elected” as the purest of motivations and were not at all driven by tribalism, they would be concentrating their pressure not on the millions it takes to convince to win the vote via that solution but on that, one, single man, who persists in acting in a way that turns millions off from voting for him.

    For an outsider like me, the persitence on the “lets convince millions” option instead of “lets loudly demonstrate on the streets against Biden until he acts differently” looks like pure mindless tribalism of “The Chief is always right and even if he isn’t he’s our Chief so we’ll stand by him” kind. (Totally valid. Just don’t be a hypocrite and claim it’s about making sure Trump doesn’t win, as that objective can way, WAY, WAY more easilly be achieved by your Chief starting to trully listen to those whose votes he wants).

  • pachrist@lemmy.world
    183·
    10 months ago

    I think for someone as advanced in age and tired as Biden is, he needs a truly inspiring VP candidate. He stepped up when we needed him and beat Trump, but Biden also needed to be a one term president as a stopgap for the next generation, but like every other Democrat politician, he’s hanging on too long, and we’ll pay the price.

    I get they tried this with Kamala Harris, to some extent, but she has squandered the opportunity. I’d consider myself fairly well informed, above average for sure, and I’d struggle to name 5 things she’s done in the last 3 years.

    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
      712·
      10 months ago

      Exactly. People in here keep pretending Democrats “want” to move to the left. They don’t. They love being procorporate fascist light pieces of shit.

  • Clbull@lemmy.world
    73·
    10 months ago

    The Democrats honestly brought this on themselves.

    Bernie Sanders was by far the most popular candidate in 2016, but Hillary ultimately won the nomination purely on superdelegates because the system is crooked and apparently the Clinton dynasty had to continue. It’s a substantially different world, and the Clintons have heavily fallen out of public favour, which is why Hillary failed to get elected.

    Sanders had another chance in 2020, this time the party members threw Bernie under the bus and chose to counter one senile fossil with another.

    Yes Bernie Sanders would’ve been the oldest candidate, but Biden hasn’t exactly aged gracefully and seems to be even more forgetful than Trump.

    I don’t think Biden has a chance of winning this year’s election unless by some landmark supreme court miracle, Trump is struck off from the ballot and the Republican Party is forced to hastily select another candidate. Even then I think someone like Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ron DeSantis or Rick Santorum would thrash Biden in the polls.

    And if Trump wins, I fear the Fascist takeover that will follow.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.world
    52·
    10 months ago

    To “Keep Trump out” there are only two realistic options: either one single person, Joe Biden, changes his actions as POTUS (starting with his continued material support for the Genocide in Palestine) or millions of Americans have to go against their principles and vote for him.

    It seems to me that if the members of the Democrat-tribe doing the rounds telling people they “should vote for Biden otherwise Trump wins” genuinelly wanted to “Keep Trump out” they would instead be pressing hard for that one, single man to start listenning to voters and act differently, rather than go for the much, much harder option of getting millions of Americans to swallow their principles so that this one single man can keep on acting the same way he does now.

    Seems to me that keeping Trump out is secondary to Biden not having to listen to voters and continue to act freely as he feels like, even if that’s so against the wishes of millions of Americans that previously voted for him that they even find those actions unprincipled and repugnant.